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Re: Stainless steel brake lines

Andrew Anunson
 

Bruce,
What is wrong with your friend’s brake lines?

Andrew Anunson

Sent from a generic phonograph

On Jun 16, 2019, at 10:58 PM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

Ryszard, Dave, Bruce, and Jay:   I must
apologize; my wording of the email was
the way I understood the situation but
was not correct.

And I am sorry that my computer always
send two copies; I do not know why..

Correct information:  my friend just 
commented that the brakes were less
than perfect.     So he kinda "shot himself
in the foot".

Actually he has a lot of flying experience 
in many aircraft,including my Longeze.   
I DO have good brakes so he was
comparing his brakes with mine, I guess.

The AI did not try the brakes, he just would
not sign off the condition inspection.   A
second problem is that the line to the fuel
injection unit needs to be changed.   I am
sorry; I know very little about fuel injection
systems.

I am sure the fuel injection system can be
fixed as they are not unique to canard
aircraft.

About checking the archives:   I could have
checked my own archives; I have 6 files that
are about brakes.   When I did check the files,
I found 2 pages of very pertinent information,
although the information is 4 years old.
Marc, Dale, Buly, Rich G.., and Jim E. covered
brake lines very well.

This friend flew about 36 of the 40 hours on my
Longeze so I own him a lot.

Like so many, he bought his Longeze (after he
had flown mine and liked it) and is not a builder.  

What we went to see before purchase turned out
to be an extremely well built canard.    But much
of the "internal parts" are covered so it is not a
typical canard.   Getting the SS tubes down the
gear legs may be a problem.   I put MY Nyloseal
on the gear legs.   He is not likely to remove the
old plastic tubes (whatever they are) to fix it.  
He is much too busy making a living; not retired
like me.

Our nearest canard inspector/repairman is Dale
Martin but he is always extremely busy and the
aircraft is now grounded by FAA regulations.
We do not want to haul it over; that is far.  

Thank you very much for the comments.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: 'Ryszardzadow@...' ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 08:40:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Stainless steel brake lines



Need more information as to why his IA told him his brakes were “less than perfect” ? 

Was it because is IA was unfamiliar with our brake systems and thinks the tubing called out for in the plans is inadequate simply because that’s not what Cessnas have? 

This is why it’s really important that non-builder-owners need to take their aircraft to someone knowledgeable like any of the shops that specialize on our aircraft or find someone with decades of operational experience to guide them . I see this all the time and it drives me nuts. Recently an owner brought a LongEZ to the Jetguys shop that an avionics ship charged him $15k to install a glass panel. They’d never seen a LongEZ before. The wire bundles were running outside the armrests under the seat cushions and the systems didn’t even work right. Everything needed to be removed and redone. It was awful. 

Get this guy in touch with someone who know our airplanes please. 

RyZ  

On Jun 16, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


Group:

I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.

HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.
Time came for a condition inspection last week.
The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakes
by replacing the plastic lines.   So he is grounded.

I told him that some builders had pushed SS lines
through their existing plastic lines and are very
happy with the lines..

He needs some expert help on that, please.

Bruce Hughes






Re: Stainless steel brake lines

Bruce Hughes
 

Ryszard, Dave, Bruce, and Jay:   I must
apologize; my wording of the email was
the way I understood the situation but
was not correct.

And I am sorry that my computer always
send two copies; I do not know why.

Correct information:  my friend just 
commented that the brakes were less
than perfect.     So he kinda "shot himself
in the foot".

Actually he has a lot of flying experience 
in many aircraft,including my Longeze.   
I DO have good brakes so he was
comparing his brakes with mine, I guess.

The AI did not try the brakes, he just would
not sign off the condition inspection.   A
second problem is that the line to the fuel
injection unit needs to be changed.   I am
sorry; I know very little about fuel injection
systems.

I am sure the fuel injection system can be
fixed as they are not unique to canard
aircraft.

About checking the archives:   I could have
checked my own archives; I have 6 files that
are about brakes.   When I did check the files,
I found 2 pages of very pertinent information,
although the information is 4 years old.
Marc, Dale, Buly, Rich G., and Jim E. covered
brake lines very well.

This friend flew about 36 of the 40 hours on my
Longeze so I own him a lot.

Like so many, he bought his Longeze (after he
had flown mine and liked it) and is not a builder.  

What we went to see before purchase turned out
to be an extremely well built canard.    But much
of the "internal parts" are covered so it is not a
typical canard.   Getting the SS tubes down the
gear legs may be a problem.   I put MY Nyloseal
on the gear legs.   He is not likely to remove the
old plastic tubes (whatever they are) to fix it.  
He is much too busy making a living; not retired
like me.

Our nearest canard inspector/repairman is Dale
Martin but he is always extremely busy and the
aircraft is now grounded by FAA regulations.
We do not want to haul it over; that is far.  

Thank you very much for the comments.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: 'Ryszardzadow@...' ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 08:40:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Stainless steel brake lines



Need more information as to why his IA told him his brakes were “less than perfect” ? 

Was it because is IA was unfamiliar with our brake systems and thinks the tubing called out for in the plans is inadequate simply because that’s not what Cessnas have? 

This is why it’s really important that non-builder-owners need to take their aircraft to someone knowledgeable like any of the shops that specialize on our aircraft or find someone with decades of operational experience to guide them . I see this all the time and it drives me nuts. Recently an owner brought a LongEZ to the Jetguys shop that an avionics ship charged him $15k to install a glass panel. They’d never seen a LongEZ before. The wire bundles were running outside the armrests under the seat cushions and the systems didn’t even work right. Everything needed to be removed and redone. It was awful. 

Get this guy in touch with someone who know our airplanes please. 

RyZ  

On Jun 16, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


Group:

I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.

HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.
Time came for a condition inspection last week.
The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakes
by replacing the plastic lines.   So he is grounded.

I told him that some builders had pushed SS lines
through their existing plastic lines and are very
happy with the lines.

He needs some expert help on that, please.

Bruce Hughes






Re: Stainless steel brake lines

jay jay <drhyed@...>
 

Having been involved in the instruction of the lazy and ignorant for many years, the best way to motivate them is to just IGNORE them. This usually separates out the incompetent who will just keep going in circles asking people because they can’t figure out how to go about figuring out the answer in the first place from those who are just trying to short cut to the answer or may have been set in the wrong direction to begin with. The ignore key (also known as the delete key, circular file, left mouse button) might help some of you fight off bitter old man syndrome for a few more years... how you handle a trip to wal-mart if this type of stuff gets your panties in a bunch I have no idea! I bet the people who wait till the last minute to merge (which is the way traffic engineers intend, and will allow traffic to flow the in the most efficient manner) make your heads explode. Take a deep breath, use that ignore button more often, and realize not much in life is worth turning into a bitter old man over. 


Jay 

On Jun 16, 2019, at 12:10 PM, B Smith bsmith51@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Since nothing is new under the sun regarding these old planes, I suggest the link to the C-A archives be sent to all inspectors/facilities and this site then be shut down as a forum, with only the archives remaining.  Or perhaps forum questions could be filtered and diverted by a moderator with an "archive bounce."  But then readers would no longer be able to differentiate the really smart/competent/experienced/industrious builders from the dumb/incompetent/inexperienced/lazy clay pigeons.

PULL.

Bruce Smith
Long-EZ

  . 

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 8:20 AM Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

On 6/16/2019 8:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...
[canard-aviators] wrote:
> Group:I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.Time came for a condition inspection last week.The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakesby replacing the plastic lines. So he is grounded.I told him that some builders had pushed SS linesthrough their existing plastic lines and are veryhappy with the lines.He needs some expert help on that, please.
> Bruce Hughes
>

I have to wonder, do people just not read posts, or, immediately forget
what they read?

And the archives, useless, might as well not keep them.

Much has been posted on this topic, just waiting there for anyone who
needs to review this and just about any other topic.

I'll just mention one thing, for 1/8 inch line, it has been reported
that the .020 wall is required, .028 wall leaves the ID too small.

Ok, back to being lazy and not doing due diligence, just asking and
expecting others to do the work ....

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: Stainless steel brake lines

besmith51
 

Since nothing is new under the sun regarding these old planes, I suggest the link to the C-A archives be sent to all inspectors/facilities and this site then be shut down as a forum, with only the archives remaining.  Or perhaps forum questions could be filtered and diverted by a moderator with an "archive bounce."  But then readers would no longer be able to differentiate the really smart/competent/experienced/industrious builders from the dumb/incompetent/inexperienced/lazy clay pigeons.

PULL.

Bruce Smith
Long-EZ

  . 


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 8:20 AM Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

On 6/16/2019 8:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...
[canard-aviators] wrote:
> Group:I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.Time came for a condition inspection last week.The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakesby replacing the plastic lines. So he is grounded.I told him that some builders had pushed SS linesthrough their existing plastic lines and are veryhappy with the lines.He needs some expert help on that, please.
> Bruce Hughes
>

I have to wonder, do people just not read posts, or, immediately forget
what they read?

And the archives, useless, might as well not keep them.

Much has been posted on this topic, just waiting there for anyone who
needs to review this and just about any other topic.

I'll just mention one thing, for 1/8 inch line, it has been reported
that the .020 wall is required, .028 wall leaves the ID too small.

Ok, back to being lazy and not doing due diligence, just asking and
expecting others to do the work ....

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: Stainless steel brake lines

David A Froble
 

On 6/16/2019 8:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@fairpoint.net [canard-aviators] wrote:
Group:I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.Time came for a condition inspection last week.The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakesby replacing the plastic lines. So he is grounded.I told him that some builders had pushed SS linesthrough their existing plastic lines and are veryhappy with the lines.He needs some expert help on that, please.
Bruce Hughes
I have to wonder, do people just not read posts, or, immediately forget what they read?

And the archives, useless, might as well not keep them.

Much has been posted on this topic, just waiting there for anyone who needs to review this and just about any other topic.

I'll just mention one thing, for 1/8 inch line, it has been reported that the .020 wall is required, .028 wall leaves the ID too small.

Ok, back to being lazy and not doing due diligence, just asking and expecting others to do the work ....

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

cozygirrrl
 

You will be welcome!
We laugh when people ask for exceptions and alternatives... it is a boondocking camp site!
Be thankful it is not brats..the sausage things, not little kids.
...Chrissi


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Kyzar kyzarcozy@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

 
I’ll try to stop by, but won’t be partaking. (Unless you reconsider and decide to do a vegetarian “Millennial meal” option! 😆)
Would love to see you guys again. The banter about the examination and bowling ball reminded me what I miss about this community. 

Ryan Kyzar 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 01:48 Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 
Count me in !

Glenn Moore

N600EZ

G

P.s.  I live locally so could help with stuff if needed. (Except beer).

920-946-4756


On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 
Wow, sorry to hear about all of the issues.  It was a great event and some were guilty of just showing up ( I'm one of the guilty ones) and not helping out.  SORRY😔.  Yea, I'm for it! I plan to be camped near the pavilion, so let me know if I can help.
Don Berlin
Longez N131DB


On Jun 13, 2019, at 2:04 PM, cozygirrrl via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

The Eleventh Annual CozyGirrrls Spaghetti Bash
.....is not going to happen this year.

But WAIT, there's more...

(explanation at bottom)

*** INSTEAD ***
For the adventurous & diehards we are proposing
an alternative;

The First (& Last?) CSA/RAFE Jambalaya Jam.
.....its simple, if you are a canard person you

should belong to CSA and support RAFE, their

sponsorship for this means nothing more than they

get to stand up in front of you while you eat and

they get to jabber at you, in the bigger picture

they represent all of us out there in the bigger

world so it's worth a listen.

Some of you have been lucky enough to sample
Bob Tilley's fine authentic Louisiana Jambalaya.

Bob and I are considering making a huge cast iron

kettle full, all you will need to bring is an

appetite and a chair (NO TABLES AVAILABLE) (and

maybe a small donation?).
We will provide the place and the food, some

sodas, ice and water. There should also be a

minivan available if a few souls wish to pass a

hat and make a beer run to Walmart. Trying to keep

this one simple and informal, less work, no

stress.
For those unfamiliar with the dish, Jambalaya is a

 one-pot dish of chicken, pork, sausage & rice,

and some other things. It is somewhat spicy but

not hot. Goes great with beer if you bring some =)

And now, the rest of the story...

We know the Spaghetti Bash is important and has

been a great family event for Canardians, it grew

into something much larger than we had envisioned.
This year due to many issues, past and current we

do not have the valuable manpower or energy to put

on this event as it has been in the past. We were

going to not do it at all, then remembering the

simplicity of Bob's Jambalaya thought we might be

able to do it up at the nice new shelter pavilion

at the top of the homebuilt camping field since it

would be an informal get together of homebuilders

and many of them camping in said area. We just got

the word this morning from the EAA that this would

not be okay with them.
It takes a team to do the dinner, we have an

awesome team! This year two key members are unable

to be there, we would not attempt to do this

without them.
It takes a lot of begging to get the tables we

round up each year, when we announce the dinner we

always say we may not be able to get any tables,

last year there was a huge stink by a Chairman

that -we- had stolen their tables when in fact we

had no idea of the source or origin of said tables

but because said EAA chairman does not like Randi

they attempted to put her in a bad light.
It is important to know it is against EAA rules to

sell food or alcohol, period. There are venues

available, a list of caterers and purveyors with

liquor licences to provide such things. We have

hosted this party for the CSA for the last ten

years, originally intended to round up the few

early arrival lost souls looking for other canard

people and have a good evening of camaraderie. We

have asked for a minimal donation to cover costs

and anything extra has gone into the kitty for the

next year to add whatever pots and pans etc to

make this work and accommodate the expanding group,

this has worked well. Someone has been kind enough

to bring and donate beverages and even sangria

(thank you whoever you are).
Let it be known to keep peace on our street we

have always extended an open invitation to any and

all to join us, nobody excluded. But year after

year issues have been instigated, sadly two of

them are chairmen, that have resulted in at least

one major problem each year. They have called the

police (we're having a party), they have called

security (they are selling food and alcohol), they

have extensively lied to their friend who runs

campground security and we have been told by him

"he has heard all about what we are doing and we

are being watched", we get complaints about the

crowds, the bicycles, parking, golf carts etc in

the street and at other people's campsites,
Last year another chairman, friend of camping

neighbors came to me mid dinner, she had glass in

hand and as sweet as could be buttered me up and

asked if there was any way she could buy a glass

of our wonderful sangria. I saw this a mile away,

put my arm around her and said "sorry we do not

sell alcohol but for her she can help herself to

as many refills as she wished". THIS is a tiny

sample of the sort of relentless $#!7 we put up

with year after year. Last year was the topper.

Two years ago it resulted in Randi in the ER right

after Osh she nearly died. She ended up with a

stent and huge bills. Last year after Osh right

back in the hospital. A stress test and more

bills.
It's supposed to be camping folks, it's supposed

to be fun folks... it is not.
What makes it all worthwhile is YOU. All of you

people, and your families. Just seeing all of you

getting together, the smiles and laughter, the din

of conversation, people lining up for thirds and

fourths for campsite pasta? Those name tags we nag

you about? Imagine you came all the way here from

Israel, Europe, South America or had been lurking

on the net but never met anyone face to face, or

you're like Randi and I and can't remember to save

our lives, it sure helps with meeting new friends

or not embarrassing yourself with old ones or

finally thanking that person who was so helpful on

line, we count the blank name tags each year

before the dinner so we also have an accurate head

count.
Every year the gathering turns out to be

incredible and so worth it for all of our crew.

I saw the pain Randi was experiencing again last

year and was ready to say it was not worth it, but

the thanks and encouragement everybody gave made us

realize this is an event that must happen one way

or another.
We were slow getting this plan together because we

were both sick for an extended period of time

following Sun N Fun but we are good now.

So this year, please bear with us, we are making

an adjustment for just this year and we will

figure out what to do next year.

As for comments; what we need right now since time

is getting short, does this Jambalaya Jam thing

sound okay? ...are you interested? I know it's

different but it is the best we can do right now.
NO RSVP's right now please, just yays or nays and

as always, no vegan, no gluten free, no kosher, no

low carb or Millennial meals will be available but

it should be dolphin free.

If enough people are willing to take a chance on

this we will put out a formal announcement and

start taking RSVP's, if you RSVP me before that I

will ignor it and you will not be counted. Y'all

are terrible at following instructions.

Thanks, Chrissi and Randi
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Re: Stainless steel brake lines

Ryszard Zadow
 

Need more information as to why his IA told him his brakes were “less than perfect” ? 

Was it because is IA was unfamiliar with our brake systems and thinks the tubing called out for in the plans is inadequate simply because that’s not what Cessnas have? 

This is why it’s really important that non-builder-owners need to take their aircraft to someone knowledgeable like any of the shops that specialize on our aircraft or find someone with decades of operational experience to guide them . I see this all the time and it drives me nuts. Recently an owner brought a LongEZ to the Jetguys shop that an avionics ship charged him $15k to install a glass panel. They’d never seen a LongEZ before. The wire bundles were running outside the armrests under the seat cushions and the systems didn’t even work right. Everything needed to be removed and redone. It was awful. 

Get this guy in touch with someone who know our airplanes please. 

RyZ  

On Jun 16, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Group:

I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.

HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.
Time came for a condition inspection last week.
The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakes
by replacing the plastic lines.   So he is grounded.

I told him that some builders had pushed SS lines
through their existing plastic lines and are very
happy with the lines.

He needs some expert help on that, please.

Bruce Hughes


Stainless steel brake lines

Bruce Hughes
 

Group:

I have good brakes and never considered SS lines.

HOWEVER a buddy bought a beautiful Longeze.
Time came for a condition inspection last week.
The AI told him to deal with his less than perfect brakes
by replacing the plastic lines.   So he is grounded.

I told him that some builders had pushed SS lines
through their existing plastic lines and are very
happy with the lines.

He needs some expert help on that, please.

Bruce Hughes


Flying Viggen?

Ryszard Zadow
 

Looking for a flying Viggen. I think someone in Arizona has one....


Re: Oshkosh Tuesday Night Dinner

cozygirrrl
 

Keith, we'd love the have you and Terri there but not the Yorkie as darling as they are.
If we make one exception  it is not fair the the rest, a little one here, a bigger one there and a pair of Labs crapping everywhere.
Sorry but we won't have a repeat of RR where we had dogs crapping in the food prep area and everywhere else. Outside of our campsite
are our neighbors who would love to complain about dog mess on their campsite no matter if it happened or not.
I get crazy when I see these things happening and want to get mean and rude, we are trying to reduce the stress and have a good time for all.


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer
To: Canard Aviators ; cozygirrrl
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] DOH! correction...Re: Oshkosh Tuesday Night Dinner

We will be flying in and plan on the Jambalaya but we need to travel with our 4 lb Yorkie. He is always held. Any exceptions to the no pet policy?
Keith and Terri

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 2:02 PM CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

WHEN:
Tuesday July 23rd, social hour begins around 5PM BYOB
 


Re: DOH! correction...Re: Oshkosh Tuesday Night Dinner

Keith Spreuer
 

We will be flying in and plan on the Jambalaya but we need to travel with our 4 lb Yorkie. He is always held. Any exceptions to the no pet policy?
Keith and Terri

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 2:02 PM CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 


WHEN:
Tuesday July 23rd, social hour begins around 5PM BYOB
 


DOH! correction...Re: Oshkosh Tuesday Night Dinner

cozygirrrl
 


WHEN:
Tuesday July 23rd, social hour begins around 5PM BYOB
 


Oshkosh Tuesday Night Dinner

cozygirrrl
 

    Cozy Girrrls 1st Annual Early Birds Jambalaya Jam
===========================================
 This is a CSA/RAFE group event for Canard Enthusiasts
 
Its that time again!
If you are coming to Osh and are going to be there early in the week (Tuesday) and hoping to
connect with other canardians, this is it!
 
WHAT's FOR DINNER:
Jambalaya is a Cajun/Creole dish, it is made in a huge cast iron kettle, it is
mildly to somewhat spicy-NOT HOT. Chicken, pork, sausage, veg and rice.
Hint: it goes well with beer.
  
LOCATION:
We will be at our campsite on North Doolittle providing we get our usual spot
otherwise we will put out the word via grapevine where we will be located,
as always look for the little red truck. Pictures of truck and map at bottom.
 
WHEN:
Tuesday July 2rd, social hour begins around 5PM BYOB eer
 
$5 "donation" per person, PLEASE bring a chair this year!
 
RSVP:
...this is a test, based on previous years RSVP responses we have determined 70%
of you either drink a lot when using your computer or your skills at following the
simplest of written instructions are questionable, even if they come with M drawings.
We wish to thank the remaining 30% for making our lives easier.
So, if you are coming to the dinner, please send us an RSVP with a one line response:
 
Please do it like this:
 
# of people, name(s), email, cell

EXAMPLE:
 
2, Chrissi, Randi, CozyGirrrl@..., 867-5309
 
That way there will be enough food and beverage, you wouldn't want to run out would you?
There is a threshold where we may need to make a 2nd pot, so real numbers are important.
 
IMPORTANT:
1. If you RSVP, please make sure you receive a Thank You! email from us within 48 hours.
2. Picnic tables are probably not available so bring a chair if you are able to scrounge one.
3. No vehicles, there is absolutely no parking available, you must park in the BLUE lot and walk.
4. Bicycles, golf carts, strollers etc must be off the road and not on our neighbors campsites.
5. We do not know of anyone who will be donating alcohol so feel free to BYOB or pass a hat and make a run to Walmart.
6. =Please, no animals!= ,we LOVE animals, just not when & where we are preparing and serving food.
7. If you RSVP in the 10 days before Airventure you will probably not receive an acknowledgement from us.
8. This has been a very wet Spring & Summer so far, count on mosquitoes! Spray yourself.
 
You will need your chair and maybe a blanket for the movie next door, schedule says
Tuesday, July 23: Planes: Fire and Rescue (Cartoon)
This sequel to 2013’s Planes takes us into the world of aerial firefighting as Dusty Crophopper gets
fitted with a water tank and amphibious floats, and gets to work.
This animated Pixar feature features a star-studded voice cast, and nonstop aviation.

.... or stick around and socialize!
 
Our trusty band of well trained and highly skilled volunteers look forward to seeing you all there!
 
The Little Red Truck for those who were looking for a red mini-pickup:
Secret location of dinner:

 
 


Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

Ryan Kyzar
 

I’ll try to stop by, but won’t be partaking. (Unless you reconsider and decide to do a vegetarian “Millennial meal” option! 😆)
Would love to see you guys again. The banter about the examination and bowling ball reminded me what I miss about this community. 

Ryan Kyzar 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 01:48 Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Count me in !

Glenn Moore

N600EZ

G

P.s.  I live locally so could help with stuff if needed. (Except beer).

920-946-4756


On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Wow, sorry to hear about all of the issues.  It was a great event and some were guilty of just showing up ( I'm one of the guilty ones) and not helping out.  SORRY😔.  Yea, I'm for it! I plan to be camped near the pavilion, so let me know if I can help.

Don Berlin
Longez N131DB


On Jun 13, 2019, at 2:04 PM, cozygirrrl via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

The Eleventh Annual CozyGirrrls Spaghetti Bash
....is not going to happen this year.

But WAIT, there's more...

(explanation at bottom)

*** INSTEAD ***
For the adventurous & diehards we are proposing
an alternative;

The First (& Last?) CSA/RAFE Jambalaya Jam.
....its simple, if you are a canard person you


should belong to CSA and support RAFE, their

sponsorship for this means nothing more than they

get to stand up in front of you while you eat and

they get to jabber at you, in the bigger picture

they represent all of us out there in the bigger

world so it's worth a listen.

Some of you have been lucky enough to sample
Bob Tilley's fine authentic Louisiana Jambalaya.

Bob and I are considering making a huge cast iron

kettle full, all you will need to bring is an

appetite and a chair (NO TABLES AVAILABLE) (and

maybe a small donation?).
We will provide the place and the food, some

sodas, ice and water. There should also be a

minivan available if a few souls wish to pass a

hat and make a beer run to Walmart. Trying to keep

this one simple and informal, less work, no

stress.
For those unfamiliar with the dish, Jambalaya is a

 one-pot dish of chicken, pork, sausage & rice,

and some other things. It is somewhat spicy but

not hot. Goes great with beer if you bring some =)

And now, the rest of the story...

We know the Spaghetti Bash is important and has

been a great family event for Canardians, it grew

into something much larger than we had envisioned.
This year due to many issues, past and current we

do not have the valuable manpower or energy to put

on this event as it has been in the past. We were

going to not do it at all, then remembering the

simplicity of Bob's Jambalaya thought we might be

able to do it up at the nice new shelter pavilion

at the top of the homebuilt camping field since it

would be an informal get together of homebuilders

and many of them camping in said area. We just got

the word this morning from the EAA that this would

not be okay with them.
It takes a team to do the dinner, we have an

awesome team! This year two key members are unable

to be there, we would not attempt to do this

without them.
It takes a lot of begging to get the tables we

round up each year, when we announce the dinner we

always say we may not be able to get any tables,

last year there was a huge stink by a Chairman

that -we- had stolen their tables when in fact we

had no idea of the source or origin of said tables

but because said EAA chairman does not like Randi

they attempted to put her in a bad light.
It is important to know it is against EAA rules to

sell food or alcohol, period. There are venues

available, a list of caterers and purveyors with

liquor licences to provide such things. We have

hosted this party for the CSA for the last ten

years, originally intended to round up the few

early arrival lost souls looking for other canard

people and have a good evening of camaraderie. We

have asked for a minimal donation to cover costs

and anything extra has gone into the kitty for the

next year to add whatever pots and pans etc to

make this work and accommodate the expanding group,

this has worked well. Someone has been kind enough

to bring and donate beverages and even sangria

(thank you whoever you are).
Let it be known to keep peace on our street we

have always extended an open invitation to any and

all to join us, nobody excluded. But year after

year issues have been instigated, sadly two of

them are chairmen, that have resulted in at least

one major problem each year. They have called the

police (we're having a party), they have called

security (they are selling food and alcohol), they

have extensively lied to their friend who runs

campground security and we have been told by him

"he has heard all about what we are doing and we

are being watched", we get complaints about the

crowds, the bicycles, parking, golf carts etc in

the street and at other people's campsites,
Last year another chairman, friend of camping

neighbors came to me mid dinner, she had glass in

hand and as sweet as could be buttered me up and

asked if there was any way she could buy a glass

of our wonderful sangria. I saw this a mile away,

put my arm around her and said "sorry we do not

sell alcohol but for her she can help herself to

as many refills as she wished". THIS is a tiny

sample of the sort of relentless $#!7 we put up

with year after year. Last year was the topper.

Two years ago it resulted in Randi in the ER right

after Osh she nearly died. She ended up with a

stent and huge bills. Last year after Osh right

back in the hospital. A stress test and more

bills.
It's supposed to be camping folks, it's supposed

to be fun folks... it is not.
What makes it all worthwhile is YOU. All of you

people, and your families. Just seeing all of you

getting together, the smiles and laughter, the din

of conversation, people lining up for thirds and

fourths for campsite pasta? Those name tags we nag

you about? Imagine you came all the way here from

Israel, Europe, South America or had been lurking

on the net but never met anyone face to face, or

you're like Randi and I and can't remember to save

our lives, it sure helps with meeting new friends

or not embarrassing yourself with old ones or

finally thanking that person who was so helpful on

line, we count the blank name tags each year

before the dinner so we also have an accurate head

count.
Every year the gathering turns out to be

incredible and so worth it for all of our crew.

I saw the pain Randi was experiencing again last

year and was ready to say it was not worth it, but

the thanks and encouragement everybody gave made us

realize this is an event that must happen one way

or another.
We were slow getting this plan together because we

were both sick for an extended period of time

following Sun N Fun but we are good now.

So this year, please bear with us, we are making

an adjustment for just this year and we will

figure out what to do next year.

As for comments; what we need right now since time

is getting short, does this Jambalaya Jam thing

sound okay? ...are you interested? I know it's

different but it is the best we can do right now.
NO RSVP's right now please, just yays or nays and

as always, no vegan, no gluten free, no kosher, no

low carb or Millennial meals will be available but

it should be dolphin free.

If enough people are willing to take a chance on

this we will put out a formal announcement and

start taking RSVP's, if you RSVP me before that I

will ignor it and you will not be counted. Y'all

are terrible at following instructions.

Thanks, Chrissi and Randi

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Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

Glenn Charles
 

Count me in !

Glenn Moore

N600EZ

G

P.s.  I live locally so could help with stuff if needed. (Except beer).

920-946-4756


On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Wow, sorry to hear about all of the issues.  It was a great event and some were guilty of just showing up ( I'm one of the guilty ones) and not helping out.  SORRY😔.  Yea, I'm for it! I plan to be camped near the pavilion, so let me know if I can help.

Don Berlin
Longez N131DB


On Jun 13, 2019, at 2:04 PM, cozygirrrl via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

The Eleventh Annual CozyGirrrls Spaghetti Bash
...is not going to happen this year.

But WAIT, there's more...

(explanation at bottom)

*** INSTEAD ***
For the adventurous & diehards we are proposing
an alternative;

The First (& Last?) CSA/RAFE Jambalaya Jam.
...its simple, if you are a canard person you

should belong to CSA and support RAFE, their

sponsorship for this means nothing more than they

get to stand up in front of you while you eat and

they get to jabber at you, in the bigger picture

they represent all of us out there in the bigger

world so it's worth a listen.

Some of you have been lucky enough to sample
Bob Tilley's fine authentic Louisiana Jambalaya.

Bob and I are considering making a huge cast iron

kettle full, all you will need to bring is an

appetite and a chair (NO TABLES AVAILABLE) (and

maybe a small donation?).
We will provide the place and the food, some

sodas, ice and water. There should also be a

minivan available if a few souls wish to pass a

hat and make a beer run to Walmart. Trying to keep

this one simple and informal, less work, no

stress.
For those unfamiliar with the dish, Jambalaya is a

 one-pot dish of chicken, pork, sausage & rice,

and some other things. It is somewhat spicy but

not hot. Goes great with beer if you bring some =)

And now, the rest of the story...

We know the Spaghetti Bash is important and has

been a great family event for Canardians, it grew

into something much larger than we had envisioned.
This year due to many issues, past and current we

do not have the valuable manpower or energy to put

on this event as it has been in the past. We were

going to not do it at all, then remembering the

simplicity of Bob's Jambalaya thought we might be

able to do it up at the nice new shelter pavilion

at the top of the homebuilt camping field since it

would be an informal get together of homebuilders

and many of them camping in said area. We just got

the word this morning from the EAA that this would

not be okay with them.
It takes a team to do the dinner, we have an

awesome team! This year two key members are unable

to be there, we would not attempt to do this

without them.
It takes a lot of begging to get the tables we

round up each year, when we announce the dinner we

always say we may not be able to get any tables,

last year there was a huge stink by a Chairman

that -we- had stolen their tables when in fact we

had no idea of the source or origin of said tables

but because said EAA chairman does not like Randi

they attempted to put her in a bad light.
It is important to know it is against EAA rules to

sell food or alcohol, period. There are venues

available, a list of caterers and purveyors with

liquor licences to provide such things. We have

hosted this party for the CSA for the last ten

years, originally intended to round up the few

early arrival lost souls looking for other canard

people and have a good evening of camaraderie. We

have asked for a minimal donation to cover costs

and anything extra has gone into the kitty for the

next year to add whatever pots and pans etc to

make this work and accommodate the expanding group,

this has worked well. Someone has been kind enough

to bring and donate beverages and even sangria

(thank you whoever you are).
Let it be known to keep peace on our street we

have always extended an open invitation to any and

all to join us, nobody excluded. But year after

year issues have been instigated, sadly two of

them are chairmen, that have resulted in at least

one major problem each year. They have called the

police (we're having a party), they have called

security (they are selling food and alcohol), they

have extensively lied to their friend who runs

campground security and we have been told by him

"he has heard all about what we are doing and we

are being watched", we get complaints about the

crowds, the bicycles, parking, golf carts etc in

the street and at other people's campsites,
Last year another chairman, friend of camping

neighbors came to me mid dinner, she had glass in

hand and as sweet as could be buttered me up and

asked if there was any way she could buy a glass

of our wonderful sangria. I saw this a mile away,

put my arm around her and said "sorry we do not

sell alcohol but for her she can help herself to

as many refills as she wished". THIS is a tiny

sample of the sort of relentless $#!7 we put up

with year after year. Last year was the topper.

Two years ago it resulted in Randi in the ER right

after Osh she nearly died. She ended up with a

stent and huge bills. Last year after Osh right

back in the hospital. A stress test and more

bills.
It's supposed to be camping folks, it's supposed

to be fun folks... it is not.
What makes it all worthwhile is YOU. All of you

people, and your families. Just seeing all of you

getting together, the smiles and laughter, the din

of conversation, people lining up for thirds and

fourths for campsite pasta? Those name tags we nag

you about? Imagine you came all the way here from

Israel, Europe, South America or had been lurking

on the net but never met anyone face to face, or

you're like Randi and I and can't remember to save

our lives, it sure helps with meeting new friends

or not embarrassing yourself with old ones or

finally thanking that person who was so helpful on

line, we count the blank name tags each year

before the dinner so we also have an accurate head

count.
Every year the gathering turns out to be

incredible and so worth it for all of our crew.

I saw the pain Randi was experiencing again last

year and was ready to say it was not worth it, but

the thanks and encouragement everybody gave made us

realize this is an event that must happen one way

or another.
We were slow getting this plan together because we

were both sick for an extended period of time

following Sun N Fun but we are good now.

So this year, please bear with us, we are making

an adjustment for just this year and we will

figure out what to do next year.

As for comments; what we need right now since time

is getting short, does this Jambalaya Jam thing

sound okay? ...are you interested? I know it's

different but it is the best we can do right now.
NO RSVP's right now please, just yays or nays and

as always, no vegan, no gluten free, no kosher, no

low carb or Millennial meals will be available but

it should be dolphin free.

If enough people are willing to take a chance on

this we will put out a formal announcement and

start taking RSVP's, if you RSVP me before that I

will ignor it and you will not be counted. Y'all

are terrible at following instructions.

Thanks, Chrissi and Randi

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Re: West’s have Fuel pressure gauge needed [1 Attachment]

Ryszard Zadow
 

Thanks. I was headed west from Covington to your Rendevous but not have to head home to Texas to take care of a some things. I know you're busy with the party this weekend, but I'll get ahold of you first part of the week. 

Have a great party! 
Ryszard

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎12‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎31‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CDT, Burrall Sanders craftsman@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Don’t know where the attachment came from…accidental.  I do have a gauge. Says wicks on the face plate, westach on the back.  Fuel pressure 0-15 psi

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:03 PM
To: Burrall Sanders craftsman@... [canard-aviators]
Subject: Re: [c-a] West’s have Fuel pressure gauge needed

 

 

Can't open the attaschement. Must have something to do with my misspelling "Westach".. or auto-correct or something.

RZ

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 8:21:45 PM CDT, Burrall Sanders craftsman@... [canard-aviators] wrote:

 

 

 

Got one

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 4:33 PM
To: Aviators Canard list
Subject: [c-a] West’s have Fuel pressure gauge needed

 

 

RAFE needs a Westach 0-15 Fuel Pressure gauge. If anyone has one they’ve pulled out of their panel we would greatly appreciate it and will pay the postage.

Ryszard
Pres. RAFE

 

 


Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

Ryszard Zadow
 

Count me in also and what ever support you may need we will do our best to help. 

Ryszard
Pres. RAFE

On ‎Friday‎, ‎June‎ ‎14‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎55‎:‎41‎ ‎AM‎ ‎CDT, spencer b spencersouthbend@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Count me, Becky and Brandon in... 👍 

(And no shooting of Chrissi)


On Jun 13, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Shoot??? First gotta know what the bag limit is on those elusive "Chrissi" critters !?? All joking aside, glad you are feeling better.?? Sounds like a great idea both to give you a break and to introduce the uninitiated to the joys of jambalaya.?? To summarize:?? You're exploring sentiment (nothing definite yet) for folks to come to same campsite as always but no tables, no sangria, Cajun food vs. spaghetti, BYOB, BYOC (chair), and listen to RAFE & CSA pitchmen.?? That about got it??? Count me in.

Ken

On 6/13/2019 6:13 PM, CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??

Please someone just shoot me now? :-/



-----Original Message-----
From: Elwood Johnson ejandlinda@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators <canard-aviators@...>
Cc: cozy_builders
Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

??
A lot of folks dont know where the Pavilion is located. ??Please give details on that please if it will be held there.

EJ Johnson N36EJ Mid. Kansas


On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:46 PM, CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

??
That part about following instructions...
Yea, I'm for it! I plan to be camped near the pavilion, so let me know if I can help.
Don Berlin
We wrote "We just got the word this morning from the EAA that this would not be okay with them."
No group dinners at the pavilion! It would have to be at our camp site again, just no tables.
...but thanks for the kind offer! =D

Chrissi


Re: NORDO

Dan Pettinger
 

If a “T” is put in the com coax for connecting a hand held com radio, to what degree if any will this impact the com antenna?

Would there be any other unintended consequences?

Dan


On Jun 13, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Phil Kriley greilich@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Erlend, I plan to do this, with a receptacle mounted in the panel and a short cable that can be attached to it and a hand held.

Phil Kriley

On Jun 13, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Erlend Moen erlend@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Interesting discussion!

Would it be wice to plan for an external connection ready in the instrument panel? Then it would be very easy to connect a handheld in case of a radio malfunction, even with an electrical issue I could connect a handheld and still have a radio available. 

Med vennlig hilsen / Best Regards
Erlend Moen


13. jun. 2019 kl. 15:13 skrev Jim Evans jevansez@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>:

 

James:  I flew mine with a handheld running through the coax just as you described the first two years after first flight which included two trips to OSH.  That was some 30+ years ago and worked just fine.

Jim

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:03 AM berkut13@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

If your antenna in the winglet and main coax run is operational, just connect the handheld to it with a coax pigtail extension.  I can easily reach 20+ miles using a handheld on the ground with a copper foil di-pole on a stick....  In the air, I’m betting it would perform the same as your panel mount for normal ops.

 

Just say’n.  Cheap and easy patch till your radio is fixed.

 

-James

Berkut/Race 13

 

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:09 PM
To: canard-aviators@...
Subject: Re: [c-a] NORDO

 

 

Have a handheld icom, Bill (co-pilot) even used it for me. Peachy on the
ground, or w/in 5 miles of airport, but audio sux aloft. So does
transmission.

Rick



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Airport Manager
Tappahannock - Essex County Airport
1450 Aviation Rd.
Tappahannock, VA
22560
KXSA
Airport: 804-443-5885
Fax:     804-443-6891
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Grand junction Co

Tom Smith
 



 Any long easy drivers or builders in the Grand Junction Colorado area. I’ll be there Sunday wondering if anyone was around. 
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Re: COZY: OSHKOSH dinner

Rick Hall
 

Home Built Camping.
EAA built a Hugh Jass covered 'pavilion' on the west side of HBC a few years ago. Concrete floor, couple of propane BBQ grills, 1-2 jumbo griddles, landscaping, ...

The old "kitchen sprayer" showers we loved are no more. The old "watch tower" still there, moved to near the pavilion.

Rick

On 6/13/2019 5:10 PM, Elwood Johnson ejandlinda@earthlink.net [canard-aviators] wrote:

A lot of folks dont know where the Pavilion is located.  Please give details on that please if it will be held there.

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