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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Tim Andres
 

Where’s the like button? Oh, wrong platform, anyway, ask for the “paint mask” adhesive when doing it this way. Sticks just enough to seal the edge, peels off easy .
Tim Andres

On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:13 AM, victor taylor velocityoner@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I used a paint mask for all my lettering and numbers. The local sign shop made mine. You put it on and peel off the top layer. Sand and paint, then pull off the rest. Worked perfect and is very easy to do. 


Victor Taylor
Velocity 93DV


On Jun 28, 2019, at 14:15, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Bruce Hughes
 

Who can afford th hire a paint company?

If you do your own painting, which I did,
there is a caution.

The original owners/builders had put
"Spraylat" on the canopy to protect it
from scratches.    That is a good idea.

HOWEVER Spraylat soaks up paint.
I did not know that so I did not cover
the spraylat with masking tape.   The
paint job looked GREAT.

Then I found that the canopy was also
painted up a 1/2" to 3/4" all around.
I worked to get it off.   It does not come
off.  With aging and persistance I got
most off.   I also have scratches.

The Longeze looks good when I fly
over at 500' or more.

So I now have a new canopy that I will
eventually put on.

Bruce Hughes


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I used a paint mask for all my lettering and numbers. The local sign shop made mine. You put it on and peel off the top layer. Sand and paint, then pull off the rest. Worked perfect and is very easy to do. 

Victor Taylor
Velocity 93DV


On Jun 28, 2019, at 14:15, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
















 






I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson



On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
















 



I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy
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On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
















 




It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
















 




I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212




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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Phil Kriley
 

All of the graphics on “Cat’s Meow” are vinyl and they have held up very well.  When it comes time, I will use vinyl formthe graphics on the plane I am building.

Phil Kriley
P.S. I also stink at painting...

On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:13 AM, victor taylor velocityoner@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I used a paint mask for all my lettering and numbers. The local sign shop made mine. You put it on and peel off the top layer. Sand and paint, then pull off the rest. Worked perfect and is very easy to do. 


Victor Taylor
Velocity 93DV


On Jun 28, 2019, at 14:15, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

victor taylor
 

I used a paint mask for all my lettering and numbers. The local sign shop made mine. You put it on and peel off the top layer. Sand and paint, then pull off the rest. Worked perfect and is very easy to do. 

Victor Taylor
Velocity 93DV


On Jun 28, 2019, at 14:15, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Bulent Aliev
 

That’s what I used, and was very happy with the looks. 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 9:15 AM Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Andrew Anunson
 

Thank you for that tip Buly... I didn't know that, and I'll remember it.
How long till we remove the tape?  15 minutes?

Thanks!
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎24‎:‎45‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] wrote:




It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Andrew Anunson
 

I was planning to use vinyl for my numbers and graphics.... any recommendations for or against vinyl numbers / graphics?

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎19‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] wrote:




Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints.. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for? [1 Attachment]

Glenn Charles
 

Seems like vinyl would be the best rout for numbers.

GM




On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 


I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Izzy
 

I had a similar problem painting the numbers on the Varieze. I initially used a single stage paint. The paint was thick and when it started to cure, it pulled a sloppy swoopy mess along the edges of the Nnumbers. 

I waited a day then sanded everything  back to primer and started over. This time I left the tape on until the paint dried. This time the paint came off in chips and left with a sharp jagged line.

So I sanded off a third time and changed paints. This time I used single stage white to paint the base. Then I used basecoat to paint the numbers (brown and orange). After painting the basecoat, the  template came off easily and left nice clean lines. I then lightly sanded and used a clear coat over the whole winglet not just the number. So far it’s working.

The. I went to the Bahamas in April. CBP didn’t like my numbers at all. So I used orange tape and made new ones! 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:22, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Bulent Aliev
 

It sounds as a common sense thing, but my hangar mate years back, took his plane to a professional plane painting outfit. Had it done and after drying for few days he brought his CZ back. I could not believe what I was seeing. The fine line and masking tape around the windshield and the windows was still on. 
I told him it is a big problem and it is going to hurt. He did not think so, until tried to pull the tape. Paint was lifting in a ugly jagged line. 
The painter should have pulled the tape off soon after finishing with the spray gun.
Just something to consider.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 


Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Izzy
 

You should have used a blue paint gun. 

Izzy


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:41, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Bob Holliston
 

I recently painted my LongEZ , the third one I've painted and it's a really big deal. The actual spraying takes less than 8 hours, the prep hundreds. I wouldn't do it for less than 20 K. The only way to do it right (my opinion) is to disassemble everything. I counted 46 separate parts to paint. 


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:20 AM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?


How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Izzy
 

How did the guy balance the controls exactly?

How much weight was added to the plane? Did you get a before and after weight?

How long should the paint cure before it can return to service? Some paints need to sit for a week or so before it can handle a bugs face at 200.

Make sure there’s no leftover paper or tape anywhere, especially the engine area and the brakes. Bring a flashlight. 

Make sure all doors and panels can be opened or removed that they weren’t painted shut. 

Drips can be mitigated by some skilled use of a razor blade and rubbing compound without too much difficulty so don’t sweat them too much. 

Izzy


On Jun 26, 2019, at 20:41, Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Cameron Garner
 

Control surface balance. Too much paint can make them TE heavy.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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Re: COZY: picking up from paint - what to look for?

Bulent Aliev
 

Make sure the static ports are not painted shut. 

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM Christian Bailey <aetm12@...> wrote:

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212

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picking up from paint - what to look for?

Christian Bailey <aetm12@...>
 

On the recommendations from a few folks on this list, I just had my Berkut painted at Kracon in Lincoln, CA.

 

They completed the job only a couple of days past the two weeks promised, which seems incredible. So I'm going tomorrow to pick her up.

 

I will do a careful inspection of the job, looking for runs and overspray.

 

On my safety list is a thorough preflight, particularly including canard attachment bolts and wires, and full travel of all controls (I brought a protractor to check the travel). They had an A&P balance the controls and make a logbook entry.

 

Tapping the collective braintrust here – anything else you’ve seen or heard of a paint shop mess up that I should look out for?

 

Christian

Berkut 540 N6212


Re: Central States Association Newsletter

Bruce Hughes
 

Hi Terry

I would like a copy of the searchable index, please.

I know 2 guys that may join; I will ask them.

Bruce Hughes

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I  took the July issue of the CSA Newsletter to the post office today.  I am still saving copies for those who have not renewed. E-mail me if you want the new searchable index of back issues.


Terry Schubert 

CSA Newsletter Editor/Publisher


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Re: Central States Association Newsletter

Bob Holliston
 

Sure, I'll take the searchable index. Painting's all done, might get it back to the airport next weekend. Wide loads can't cross the bridge here so have to make a 50 mile trip to The Dalles and back. It would've been done a month or two ago but my old loyal customers want carpenter work done and I'm just not good at saying NO. 


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 1:56 PM Patrick Nerger nerger@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Please check, I should be good till ?  Later this year??


Thanks,
Patrick Nerger 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:49 PM, jschuber@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I  took the July issue of the CSA Newsletter to the post office today.  I am still saving copies for those who have not renewed. E-mail me if you want the new searchable index of back issues.


Terry Schubert 

CSA Newsletter Editor/Publisher


Jschuber@...



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Re: Central States Association Newsletter

kf7onq
 

Please check, I should be good till ?  Later this year??

Thanks,
Patrick Nerger 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:49 PM, jschuber@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I  took the July issue of the CSA Newsletter to the post office today.  I am still saving copies for those who have not renewed. E-mail me if you want the new searchable index of back issues.


Terry Schubert 

CSA Newsletter Editor/Publisher


Jschuber@...


Central States Association Newsletter

Terry Schubert
 

I  took the July issue of the CSA Newsletter to the post office today.  I am still saving copies for those who have not renewed. E-mail me if you want the new searchable index of back issues.


Terry Schubert 

CSA Newsletter Editor/Publisher


Jschuber@...

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