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Re: OSH in general.

Elwood Johnson
 

I wish one or more of you would post things you like about OSH Flyin.  

I enjoyed the Military fly bys, HBC is working, I enjoyed touring the BIG planes,  the food is not gourmet but no one would by it anyway, some very interesting concept planes.  
We need the big crowds because out of that we get a few new pilots each year and without pilots we don’t have a support system.  Etc etc Off my rant. 

Long-EZ N36EJ my own little F16.
Elwood 'EJ' Johnson

On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Good points. Personally, I’d like to see anything military banned from the event. It’s be nice to skip the United Airlines and UPS airplanes dominating Boeing as well. Those guys can all go to Paris.


Maybe we should all just start landing in Rockville again. 

Izzy


On Jul 29, 2019, at 13:46, Gordon Bowen gordon.bowen.training@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Osh$, has been going commercial for a long time. The reason I quit doing the composites workshop and coming to Osh to volunteer. The entire”AirVenture” theme will be a failure as soon as the homebuilder core quit volunteering at Osh. It’s now 100% on the local chapters to keep the original EAA movement alive. Ask yourself, if the EAA did not have real experimental aircraft enthusiast around the country, would our so called builders convention in Osh survive? Would the State of WI pony up the money to support the state’s largest event? I know someone in Osh corporate management reads these posting on our user group, I wonder if they will wake up to the fact that they have allowed our annual experimental convention has been highjacked by money, like our political system...

Re: Camping update at OSH

Rick Hall
 

It's Rockford ;)

Boeing/Fed-x/Ford/other big boyz pay to display their offerings in front of 500,000 people. As to war-birds, I kinda agree. But seeing a F4U up close is kinda neat, and they do draw a crowd.

Ignoring the 'commercial' aspect of Airventure, especially the eye glass cleaners and magic fingers massage chair vendors, there's a lot to offer for the builders/experimenters.

Bill K volunteers for the composite workshop, it's filled to capacity more than half of the sessions. I volunteer at the Cozy-3 build in Aeroplane Workshop, along with the rest of "Team Epoxy", Chrissi, Randi, Bob, George, and often a few from the audience. We laid up both spar caps and both wing skins on one wing this year. Ever try to skin a wing using medium hardener in 85* heat while answering the inevitable "can I ask a small question"?  Hand layups are 'old tech', but we do draw a modest crowd.

If "Team Epoxy" didn't volunteer, RV types would be flying around with butt ugly modified cowlings. Yes, that's one of the "can I ask a small question" we *often* answer ;)

Do you know Portuguese? I don't either, but have had multiple visitors to our workshop from Brazil. The International Tent has volunteer translators that will go to a workshop/venue. I found that out on departure, from a Russian couple. What timing :-/

Gordon:
Know where you're coming from, suspect many think the same. But if we don't volunteer to share our collective knowledge with the few experimenters that attend, we're shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot. IMHO, of course :)

Rick

On 7/29/2019 1:40 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@yahoo.com [canard-aviators] wrote:

Good points. Personally, I’d like to see anything military banned from the event. It’s be nice to skip the United Airlines and UPS airplanes dominating Boeing as well. Those guys can all go to Paris.


Maybe we should all just start landing in Rockville again.

Izzy


On Jul 29, 2019, at 13:46, Gordon Bowen gordon.bowen.training@gmail.com <mailto:gordon.bowen.training@gmail.com> [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com <mailto:canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Osh$, has been going commercial for a long time. The reason I quit doing the composites workshop and coming to Osh to volunteer. The entire”AirVenture” theme will be a failure as soon as the homebuilder core quit volunteering at Osh. It’s now 100% on the local chapters to keep the original EAA movement alive. Ask yourself, if the EAA did not have real experimental aircraft enthusiast around the country, would our so called builders convention in Osh survive? Would the State of WI pony up the money to support the state’s largest event? I know someone in Osh corporate management reads these posting on our user group, I wonder if they will wake up to the fact that they have allowed our annual experimental convention has been highjacked by money, like our political system...

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Re: Camping update at OSH

Ron Springer
 

Rockford ... but you can move the event to Rockville, MD if you want!

Ron


On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:55 PM Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Good points. Personally, I’d like to see anything military banned from the event. It’s be nice to skip the United Airlines and UPS airplanes dominating Boeing as well. Those guys can all go to Paris.


Maybe we should all just start landing in Rockville again. 

Izzy


On Jul 29, 2019, at 13:46, Gordon Bowen gordon.bowen.training@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Osh$, has been going commercial for a long time. The reason I quit doing the composites workshop and coming to Osh to volunteer. The entire”AirVenture” theme will be a failure as soon as the homebuilder core quit volunteering at Osh. It’s now 100% on the local chapters to keep the original EAA movement alive. Ask yourself, if the EAA did not have real experimental aircraft enthusiast around the country, would our so called builders convention in Osh survive? Would the State of WI pony up the money to support the state’s largest event? I know someone in Osh corporate management reads these posting on our user group, I wonder if they will wake up to the fact that they have allowed our annual experimental convention has been highjacked by money, like our political system...

Re: Camping update at OSH

Izzy
 

Good points. Personally, I’d like to see anything military banned from the event. It’s be nice to skip the United Airlines and UPS airplanes dominating Boeing as well. Those guys can all go to Paris.

Maybe we should all just start landing in Rockville again. 

Izzy


On Jul 29, 2019, at 13:46, Gordon Bowen gordon.bowen.training@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Osh$, has been going commercial for a long time. The reason I quit doing the composites workshop and coming to Osh to volunteer. The entire”AirVenture” theme will be a failure as soon as the homebuilder core quit volunteering at Osh. It’s now 100% on the local chapters to keep the original EAA movement alive. Ask yourself, if the EAA did not have real experimental aircraft enthusiast around the country, would our so called builders convention in Osh survive? Would the State of WI pony up the money to support the state’s largest event? I know someone in Osh corporate management reads these posting on our user group, I wonder if they will wake up to the fact that they have allowed our annual experimental convention has been highjacked by money, like our political system..

Re: Vendor Warning

Dale Martin
 

Marc et al,

We have seen the same experience with Mr. Hanson's workmanship as well as others doing repairs.  It is frightening.


Dale
For Contact info - See Website
http://www.long-ez.com
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:03 AM marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Folks:


While relaxing in our B&B room in Florence prior to going out to dinner, I ran across a Barnstormers advertisement by David Hanson of Warren, Ohio, for composite canard build / assistance services (he has, he claims, 17 years of "experiance"). I felt ethically obligated to issue a warning.

I know of at least two aircraft that Mr. Hanson has built/refurbished that have had major issues with them. One is his personal SQ2K, which I examined personally in Chino, CA in February. Just to be open, here's the list of issues I found with the SQ2K N440DH, NOT in severity order:
  • Loose center firewall belcrank
  • Wing TE thickness & separation
  • High Friction in elevator
  • Heavy wings (120 lb each)
  • Cut center spar near bolt holes - almost 1/2 missing
  • Rudder cable rub on push rod
  • Terrible workmanship
  • Baffling wrong direction
  • Door fit - they don’t
  • Winglet TE separation
  • NG-6 not captured
  • Bolts / nuts wrong and wrong length
  • Brake Master Cylinders’s cantilevered
  • Canard glassed in
  • Fuel vent inside cabin
  • Very heavy - 1460 lb
  • Logs thin (and misleading)
I made it very clear to the owner that this plane should not be flown and I would NEVER sign off a CI on it. I know of at least two other A&P's that have examined this plane that say essentially the same thing.

Now, I'll state outright that NO plane is perfect - EVERY plane, including my own, will have some issues with it that some A&P's might find to be issues to be addressed at some point. But there are at least 3 -5 items listed above that indicate to me that Mr. Hanson does not understand the required safety aspects of these aircraft, or worse, that he does and doesn't care. I do not know which of these is the case, but it doesn't matter for the people that use his services - either way, there are safety related problems.

Mr. Hanson has a "signature" paint scheme that he uses on any plane he's had a hand in refinishing - it makes it relatively easy to recognize at least that part of his work.

For anyone looking for composite builder assistance, part purchase, or modification help, Caveat Emptor.


-- 
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2019                     Burnside Aerospace
Re: Vendor Warning

David A Froble
 

On 7/29/2019 12:03 PM, marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu [canard-aviators] wrote:


Folks:


While relaxing in our B&B room in Florence prior to going out to dinner,
I ran across a Barnstormers advertisement by David Hanson of Warren,
Ohio, for composite canard build / assistance services (he has, he
claims, 17 years of "experiance"). I felt ethically obligated to issue a
warning.
It's not easy to "bad mouth" another. It an be rather subjective. However, if one does not do so, when appropriate, then that allows more "victims". Thanks for the heads up Marc. Others don't have to take your word for things, but at least they have been advised to beware and to be careful.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486
Re: Vendor Warning

jerry hardesty <horselover93103@...>
 

Thank you for the warning. I was thinking about using him for some help.

Jerry Hardesty
N211LE
"Skylark"

On Monday, July 29, 2019, 9:03:23 AM PDT, marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Folks:


While relaxing in our B&B room in Florence prior to going out to dinner, I ran across a Barnstormers advertisement by David Hanson of Warren, Ohio, for composite canard build / assistance services (he has, he claims, 17 years of "experiance"). I felt ethically obligated to issue a warning.

I know of at least two aircraft that Mr. Hanson has built/refurbished that have had major issues with them. One is his personal SQ2K, which I examined personally in Chino, CA in February. Just to be open, here's the list of issues I found with the SQ2K N440DH, NOT in severity order:
  • Loose center firewall belcrank
  • Wing TE thickness & separation
  • High Friction in elevator
  • Heavy wings (120 lb each)
  • Cut center spar near bolt holes - almost 1/2 missing
  • Rudder cable rub on push rod
  • Terrible workmanship
  • Baffling wrong direction
  • Door fit - they don’t
  • Winglet TE separation
  • NG-6 not captured
  • Bolts / nuts wrong and wrong length
  • Brake Master Cylinders’s cantilevered
  • Canard glassed in
  • Fuel vent inside cabin
  • Very heavy - 1460 lb
  • Logs thin (and misleading)
I made it very clear to the owner that this plane should not be flown and I would NEVER sign off a CI on it. I know of at least two other A&P's that have examined this plane that say essentially the same thing.

Now, I'll state outright that NO plane is perfect - EVERY plane, including my own, will have some issues with it that some A&P's might find to be issues to be addressed at some point. But there are at least 3 -5 items listed above that indicate to me that Mr. Hanson does not understand the required safety aspects of these aircraft, or worse, that he does and doesn't care. I do not know which of these is the case, but it doesn't matter for the people that use his services - either way, there are safety related problems.

Mr. Hanson has a "signature" paint scheme that he uses on any plane he's had a hand in refinishing - it makes it relatively easy to recognize at least that part of his work.

For anyone looking for composite builder assistance, part purchase, or modification help, Caveat Emptor.


-- 
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2019                     Burnside Aerospace
Engine cooling

diver32533
 



Ron Montgomery

Begin forwarded message:

From: Ron Montgomery <diver32533@...>
Date: July 29, 2019 at 1:06:01 PM CDT
To: Cozy Builders <cozy_builders@...>
Subject: Engine cooling

I am in the process of reworking my engine cooling after performing a complete engine overhaul. I have an IO-360 with 10 to 1 pistons, tuned 4 into 1 exhaust and dual Plasma ignitions , with downdraft cooling.
Prior to my engine overhaul I had a pressure differential of 6 inches of water as measured with a Magnehelic gauge. With that set up I always had to power back on takeoff to lower head temps. During my down time for the engine overhaul I did a lot of cowling work and engine baffling modifications.
On my first flight I only had 4 inches of water. Needless to say my head temps were out of control. I had closed off 2/3 of my cooling air exits during the overhaul. I cut two small openings in the bottom of my cowl and installed ramps 1 inch in front of the new openings, and also a ramp in front of my exhaust opening. Next flight I had 8 inches of pressure difference. My head temps have never been this good . I can easily manage temps.
My question to the group is this. Is it possible to install another opening with a ramp and go over 8 inches ? It seems to me if I could get to 10 inches difference I would not have to worry about head temps at all. Is there a maximum pressure difference that can be reached ?
Should I leave well enough alone ?

Ron Montgomery
Cozy MK IV   150 hrs

Re: Camping update at OSH

bowengor46er
 

Osh$, has been going commercial for a long time. The reason I quit doing the composites workshop and coming to Osh to volunteer. The entire”AirVenture” theme will be a failure as soon as the homebuilder core quit volunteering at Osh. It’s now 100% on the local chapters to keep the original EAA movement alive. Ask yourself, if the EAA did not have real experimental aircraft enthusiast around the country, would our so called builders convention in Osh survive? Would the State of WI pony up the money to support the state’s largest event? I know someone in Osh corporate management reads these posting on our user group, I wonder if they will wake up to the fact that they have allowed our annual experimental convention has been highjacked by money, like our political system.
Vendor Warning

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Folks:


While relaxing in our B&B room in Florence prior to going out to dinner, I ran across a Barnstormers advertisement by David Hanson of Warren, Ohio, for composite canard build / assistance services (he has, he claims, 17 years of "experiance"). I felt ethically obligated to issue a warning.

I know of at least two aircraft that Mr. Hanson has built/refurbished that have had major issues with them. One is his personal SQ2K, which I examined personally in Chino, CA in February. Just to be open, here's the list of issues I found with the SQ2K N440DH, NOT in severity order:
  • Loose center firewall belcrank
  • Wing TE thickness & separation
  • High Friction in elevator
  • Heavy wings (120 lb each)
  • Cut center spar near bolt holes - almost 1/2 missing
  • Rudder cable rub on push rod
  • Terrible workmanship
  • Baffling wrong direction
  • Door fit - they don’t
  • Winglet TE separation
  • NG-6 not captured
  • Bolts / nuts wrong and wrong length
  • Brake Master Cylinders’s cantilevered
  • Canard glassed in
  • Fuel vent inside cabin
  • Very heavy - 1460 lb
  • Logs thin (and misleading)
I made it very clear to the owner that this plane should not be flown and I would NEVER sign off a CI on it. I know of at least two other A&P's that have examined this plane that say essentially the same thing.

Now, I'll state outright that NO plane is perfect - EVERY plane, including my own, will have some issues with it that some A&P's might find to be issues to be addressed at some point. But there are at least 3 -5 items listed above that indicate to me that Mr. Hanson does not understand the required safety aspects of these aircraft, or worse, that he does and doesn't care. I do not know which of these is the case, but it doesn't matter for the people that use his services - either way, there are safety related problems.

Mr. Hanson has a "signature" paint scheme that he uses on any plane he's had a hand in refinishing - it makes it relatively easy to recognize at least that part of his work.

For anyone looking for composite builder assistance, part purchase, or modification help, Caveat Emptor.


-- 
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2019                     Burnside Aerospace
Re: I got my 1.5 seconds of fame!

David K
 

Looking good!  Wish I could have been there for the excitement. 

David Kissick


On Jul 28, 2019, at 2:11 PM, neilak56@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

One of my infamous greaser landings into Osh 2019.  Don't blink at 2:25 or you’ll miss it.

Neil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70P937LPZFY
Re: EAA photo miscues

KEN4ZZ
 

Hi Izzy-

All you say is correct and certainly hope shoot gets prominent exposure.?? The really disappointing point is, though, that the less-than-2-dozen includes ALL experimentals from Pientenpols to Fly Babys to Canards to RVs.

Ken

On 7/28/2019 9:50 PM, Izzy Briggs inbriggs@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??

There were more cars than Canards.??


The future for our group is the established events like Columbia, Rough Rover, Kannab, Bahamas etc. The F-35.6 is nice but not 2,345 pictures worth of nice.??

Charlie got his Viggen in the list at least. There were a couple other so.??

That said, there was a pretty significant photo shoot of all the Canards and we???re hoping they held back on publishing those because they want to use them in the magazine. One can hope.



Izzy


On Jul 28, 2019, at 19:49, Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

??

Well, N4ZZ is safely back in the hangar after it's 42nd O$hko$h. I've
been cleaning up the past week's email (I give myself the week off from
email) for the last 2 hours. EAA sent out a link to an official photo
archive on Flickr that their staff took which ran 28 pages and nearly
2800 photos. On a hunch I quickly scanned the first 900 or so.
Discounting a few that were in afternoon or evening airshows, EAA
accidentally let almost 2 dozen pictures of actual ordinary
'rank-and-file' experimental airplanes leak into the group. Someone must
have really screwed up to let THAT many in.

Picture from campground yesterday will be an enduring memory of this
years O$H. Bet it didn't look like that near the museum or the
'Aviator's Club'.

Ken
Re: EAA photo miscues [1 Attachment]

Izzy
 

There were more cars than Canards. 

The future for our group is the established events like Columbia, Rough Rover, Kannab, Bahamas etc. The F-35.6 is nice but not 2,345 pictures worth of nice. 

Charlie got his Viggen in the list at least. There were a couple other so. 

That said, there was a pretty significant photo shoot of all the Canards and we’re hoping they held back on publishing those because they want to use them in the magazine. One can hope.



Izzy


On Jul 28, 2019, at 19:49, Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Well, N4ZZ is safely back in the hangar after it's 42nd O$hko$h. I've
been cleaning up the past week's email (I give myself the week off from
email) for the last 2 hours. EAA sent out a link to an official photo
archive on Flickr that their staff took which ran 28 pages and nearly
2800 photos. On a hunch I quickly scanned the first 900 or so.
Discounting a few that were in afternoon or evening airshows, EAA
accidentally let almost 2 dozen pictures of actual ordinary
'rank-and-file' experimental airplanes leak into the group. Someone must
have really screwed up to let THAT many in.

Picture from campground yesterday will be an enduring memory of this
years O$H. Bet it didn't look like that near the museum or the
'Aviator's Club'.

Ken
EAA photo miscues

KEN4ZZ
 

Well, N4ZZ is safely back in the hangar after it's 42nd O$hko$h. I've been cleaning up the past week's email (I give myself the week off from email) for the last 2 hours. EAA sent out a link to an official photo archive on Flickr that their staff took which ran 28 pages and nearly 2800 photos. On a hunch I quickly scanned the first 900 or so. Discounting a few that were in afternoon or evening airshows, EAA accidentally let almost 2 dozen pictures of actual ordinary 'rank-and-file' experimental airplanes leak into the group. Someone must have really screwed up to let THAT many in.

Picture from campground yesterday will be an enduring memory of this years O$H. Bet it didn't look like that near the museum or the 'Aviator's Club'.

Ken
Re: Camping update at OSH

KEN4ZZ
 







Amen Brother.

On 7/22/2019 10:57 AM, Tom Smith TRCSmith@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??

Jerry

Don't forget, it's not about homebuilts anymore it's the corporate dollar that runs OSH. They just put up with us.


Tom Smith?? A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


??
From: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:11 PM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] Camping update at OSH
??
??
Just got this text update:

???GA camping and parking is full unless you have reserved parking.???

Wait....
There???s reserved camping spots for GA camping/parking at Oshkosh??? (WTF!?!!)

Ok.....So I???m feeling like I belong on the short bus right now; so when did we start having reserved parking at Oshkosh? Miss-read on my part or is this just a typo? I???ve been camping under the wing for 25 years, and feel like I???ve been missing something...

Jerry Eaton
I got my 1.5 seconds of fame!

N K
 

One of my infamous greaser landings into Osh 2019.  Don't blink at 2:25 or you’ll miss it.

Neil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70P937LPZFY
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Paul Schluter
 

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Oshkosh!

DB
 

Had a great time there with old friends and new ones. It was tough getting in this year, because of the wet ground, but it was worth it!
RAFE Forum tomorrow at Airventure

Ryszard Zadow
 

RAFE Forum tomorrow, Saturday July 27th. 8:30 am Forum Stage 5.. This is not the usual RAFE Forum. It's title is "The Future of Rutan Designs Symposium". It's described as an  open mike discussion with a panel of experts". Our major topic is "Where do we go from here? " The experts are scheduled to be Duane Swing, owner of Velocity Aircraft. Leonard Mullholland, EAA Hall of Famer and owner of the Legal Eagle, Paul Harrop of AOPA Live Media, Robert Harris owner of Jetguys, and Dick Vangrunsven, owner of Vans Aircraft. It should be an interesting discussion.

Ryszard
Attention Oshkosh Campers!

Ryszard Zadow
 

If you're camping at OSH wake up early tomorrow morning... if the weather holds out we'll be launching a formation photo flight that will be the Carbird, VarViggen, LongEZ, and Varieze. Engine start time at 0600. Most the flight will be over Lake Winneconne and then we'll come back over Wittman Field to get a shot with the AirVenture in the background. Wave! :)

Ryszard
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