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Re: Aileron

Ron Springer
 

Also, you are riveting through some glass too and it does not have an edge where the aluminum stops.

Ron


On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:43 AM Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Ed Andrews wrote:
be sure to have the proper edge distance between the center of the rivet and the edge of the piece.  This is a very important part.  Minimum acceptable edge distance is 2 1/2 D. 

Thank you for providing that advice Ed.  I followed the Cozy MKIV plans for this work, and those plans do not adhere to that minimum acceptable edge distance of 2.5 x diameter of hole drilled.  

The diameter of the hole we drill is 1/8", so that recommended distance from the edge is 2.5 x 1/8" = 0.3125"
The actual plans distance from the edge is 0.12"... less than is recommended.

These rivets must go through hinge A3, then through bracket A2, then through the center line of tube A10... so how do we adhere to the plans requirement as well as the 2.5 recommendation?
(see attached image)

Of course, there have been no failures of the Cozy aileron attachment methods, so I will not be changing anything... its just a discussion.

Thanks!
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA
Re: Aileron

Andrew Anunson
 

Ed Andrews wrote:
be sure to have the proper edge distance between the center of the rivet and the edge of the piece.  This is a very important part.  Minimum acceptable edge distance is 2 1/2 D. 

Thank you for providing that advice Ed.  I followed the Cozy MKIV plans for this work, and those plans do not adhere to that minimum acceptable edge distance of 2.5 x diameter of hole drilled.  

The diameter of the hole we drill is 1/8", so that recommended distance from the edge is 2.5 x 1/8" = 0.3125"
The actual plans distance from the edge is 0.12"... less than is recommended.

These rivets must go through hinge A3, then through bracket A2, then through the center line of tube A10... so how do we adhere to the plans requirement as well as the 2.5 recommendation?
(see attached image)

Of course, there have been no failures of the Cozy aileron attachment methods, so I will not be changing anything... its just a discussion.

Thanks!
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA
Re: Aileron [1 Attachment]

Ed Andrews
 

Andrew, be sure to have the proper edge distance between the center of the rivet and the edge of the piece.  This is a very important part.  Minimum acceptable edge distance is 2 1/2 D. 
 
Ed  Longeze.
 

Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aileron [1 Attachment]
 
 

On my Cozy, I used BSPQ43 (19 per aileron) and AD45-H (5 per aileron... these go through torque tube A10).

 
Andrew Anunson

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On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:40 PM, 'Joseph Berki' jskmberki@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a part number for the rivets used to attach the aileron hinges to the aileron?

Diameter grip length?

Thanks for any help

Joe Berki

Limo EZ
Re: West 105 Epoxy System Discount

Bob Holliston
 

Hey guys, after fairing in three LongEZ's I wouldn't use anything but West System (plastic bubble) micro. I've used the normal white (glass bubble) micro, Superfill (a little heavier but fewer pinholes and craters and more user friendly) and West. The West micro is softer and sands approximately twice as fast as the other two. It IS more $ though. I faired in my present LE with West seven years ago in 250 hours and it's held up fine. 


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:50 PM Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Paul Comte wrote:
Thank you for the heads up on the sale.  I am gathering the finishing materials now.  Have a lead for micro....... @$43 per 28lb bag. For a LongEz I am guessing three bags is enough...?  Also looking for suggestions / sources for  long sanding boards etc.  I would appreciate if anyone has and can forward materials lists & sources.



Hello Paul,
Wow!  Thats a great deal for micro!!
I am on my 3rd, 5 lb. bag of micro.  I will need 1 more bag for a total of 20 lbs of micro for a Cozy MKIV (I am not applying micro to the interior), so I think 1 of your 28 lb bags should be enough for your Long-EZ.
I have sanded off most of that micro.

Sanding Boards... I followed the advice I got here.
30" long rigid 3M board (borrowed) $70
30" long flexible 3M board (borrowed) $70 
7 Piece Hook & Loop Dura-Block Kit AF44HL $100

Sandpaper
3M Green Corps 36 Grit, 30"x4.5", R.S. Hughes $68.28
3M Green Corps  80 Grit, 30"x4.5", R.S. Hughes $66.16

Air Tool
Ingersoll Rand 315 $120 (need a big compressor)

So far, I have used (and continue to use) everything listed above, and wouldn't have wanted to be without any of the items.  They are all must-haves for me... and I try to be cheap.
This finishing work is TOUGH!  Longest chapter for me and not done yet....

Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA




On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 08:57:17 PM EDT, etmocp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


Thank you for the heads up on the sale.  I am gathering the finishing materials now.  Have a lead for micro from https://www.expresscomposites.com/hollow-glass-spheres-lightweight-filler @$43 per 28lb bag. For a LongEz I am guessing three bags is enough...?  Also looking for suggestions / sources for  long sanding boards etc.  I would appreciate if anyone has and can forward materials lists & sources.

Also, at the Airventure Cup tent during the Friday airline show- many thanks to Joey C. for taking the time to share his process finishing his LongEz.  There were others who I spoke to about finishing, thank you too.

Paul Comte, Jackson WI




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Rough River room

Jim Rodrian
 

I am looking for one room for the Rough River Flyin. Please contact me if you will be cancelling your reservation.
Jim Rodrian
Defiant N403R
Re: West 105 Epoxy System Discount

Vance Atkinson
 

 


Hello Paul,
Wow!  Thats a great deal for micro!!
I am on my 3rd, 5 lb. bag of micro.  I will need 1 more bag for a total of 20 lbs of micro for a Cozy MKIV (I am not applying micro to the interior), so I think 1 of your 28 lb bags should be enough for your Long-EZ.
I have sanded off most of that micro.


  Im assuming you mean the ENTIRE interior ... but you will need to use micro everywhere ( that shows anyway)  that you used tapes on.  Otherwise you will see every splice and tape seam after painting, , even with Zoelatone.

Vance Atkinson
Re: Bahama bash

Izzy
 



On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 07:08:39 PM EDT, Izzy Briggs wrote:


I left out of KFXE north of Miami two days ago. There were several  Pilatus, twins and Cessna Caravans gearing up to go help at 4am with free ground support (rental cars, meals, hotels, fuel) for rescue pilots. It sounds like there are people trying to get to the states or other islands. If your near, you could probably just fly to any out Island someplace there and ask around.

Izzy


On Sep 7, 2019, at 14:35, Hani Assabgui cjhani@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Do the Bash if possible support the economy and bring down any supplies that might be needed. Kind of an airlift. Get as many canards and any other aircraft and organize a huge airlift and vacation at the same time!

Thank You
Hani Assabgui

On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Canardians,
One of my inspirations besides all the other great fly-ins is the Bahama Bash. Oshkosh was my quest this year in my first flight later turned Rough River now the Bahama Bash. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Now following the devastation I’m sure some things won’t be the same. I’ve read so many stories of all the wonderful hospitality from some beautiful people down there that it makes me feel the canard community should do something special this year. Any ideas?

Greg Norman
Re: West 105 Epoxy System Discount

Andrew Anunson
 

Paul Comte wrote:
Thank you for the heads up on the sale.  I am gathering the finishing materials now.  Have a lead for micro....... @$43 per 28lb bag. For a LongEz I am guessing three bags is enough...?  Also looking for suggestions / sources for  long sanding boards etc.  I would appreciate if anyone has and can forward materials lists & sources.



Hello Paul,
Wow!  Thats a great deal for micro!!
I am on my 3rd, 5 lb. bag of micro.  I will need 1 more bag for a total of 20 lbs of micro for a Cozy MKIV (I am not applying micro to the interior), so I think 1 of your 28 lb bags should be enough for your Long-EZ.
I have sanded off most of that micro.

Sanding Boards... I followed the advice I got here.
30" long rigid 3M board (borrowed) $70
30" long flexible 3M board (borrowed) $70 
7 Piece Hook & Loop Dura-Block Kit AF44HL $100

Sandpaper
3M Green Corps 36 Grit, 30"x4.5", R.S. Hughes $68.28
3M Green Corps  80 Grit, 30"x4.5", R.S. Hughes $66.16

Air Tool
Ingersoll Rand 315 $120 (need a big compressor)

So far, I have used (and continue to use) everything listed above, and wouldn't have wanted to be without any of the items.  They are all must-haves for me... and I try to be cheap.
This finishing work is TOUGH!  Longest chapter for me and not done yet....

Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA




On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 08:57:17 PM EDT, etmocp@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


Thank you for the heads up on the sale.  I am gathering the finishing materials now.  Have a lead for micro from https://www.expresscomposites.com/hollow-glass-spheres-lightweight-filler @$43 per 28lb bag. For a LongEz I am guessing three bags is enough...?  Also looking for suggestions / sources for  long sanding boards etc.  I would appreciate if anyone has and can forward materials lists & sources.

Also, at the Airventure Cup tent during the Friday airline show- many thanks to Joey C. for taking the time to share his process finishing his LongEz.  There were others who I spoke to about finishing, thank you too.

Paul Comte, Jackson WI
Staniel Cay, Bahamas is OK

Bill Allen
 

Following the hurricane, I reached out to a place I’ve stayed before several times to see what help they needed.
John Chamberlain has some great cottages overlooking the beach by Staniel Cay Yacht Club. 

He says they didn’t have any damage and his place is open for rental.
I suspect that, as with other catastrophes, the actual area of extreme devastation is smaller than it is in the minds of those who were planning to visit.
My experience of Irma in the Keys was like that, but as the Keys are connected to the infrastructure of the USA they could recover more quickly than the Bahamas can.
So even if you can’t help by nailing on roofs etc etc, you could help by maybe flying your Cozy/LongEz over and spending some tourist dollars there :^)
Contact John Chamberlain (cc’d above) to find out more about how open Stenial Cay is for visitors.

Bill Allen
LE160 N99BA
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Re: West 105 Epoxy System Discount

paul comte
 

Thank you for the heads up on the sale. I am gathering the finishing materials now. Have a lead for micro from https://www.expresscomposites.com/hollow-glass-spheres-lightweight-filler @$43 per 28lb bag. For a LongEz I am guessing three bags is enough...? Also looking for suggestions / sources for long sanding boards etc. I would appreciate if anyone has and can forward materials lists & sources.

Also, at the Airventure Cup tent during the Friday airline show- many thanks to Joey C. for taking the time to share his process finishing his LongEz. There were others who I spoke to about finishing, thank you too.

Paul Comte, Jackson WI
Re: COZY: Springs..??

Andrew Anunson
 

CG Products (Cozy Girrrls) sell the complete assembly as part "Rudder Over-Travel Spring Assembly".  When you consider making your own, you need to buy music wire in large quantities and then figure out how to bend it.  IF I needed the springs today (and hadn't built my own), then I would go with CG Products preassembled ones.

Andrew Anunson

On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 08:12:41 PM EDT, 'Marl' via COZY Builders Mailing List wrote:


Anyone have a couple of 1887 springs they can part with?  (The ones for the rudder cables for hidden belhorns).

Marl

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Re: COZY: Springs..??

Andrew Anunson
 

Wicks Aircraft stocks that part... "SPRING-1887" for $9.04 per piece.
Did you check with them?

Andrew Anunson




On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 08:12:41 PM EDT, 'Marl' via COZY Builders Mailing List wrote:


Anyone have a couple of 1887 springs they can part with?  (The ones for the rudder cables for hidden belhorns).

Marl

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Springs..??

Marl Halbrook
 

Anyone have a couple of 1887 springs they can part with? (The ones for the rudder cables for hidden belhorns).

Marl

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Re: Bahama bash

Izzy
 

I left out of KFXE north of Miami two days ago. There were several  Pilatus, twins and Cessna Caravans gearing up to go help at 4am with free ground support (rental cars, meals, hotels, fuel) for rescue pilots. It sounds like there are people trying to get to the states or other islands. If your near, you could probably just fly to any out Island someplace there and ask around.

Izzy


On Sep 7, 2019, at 14:35, Hani Assabgui cjhani@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Do the Bash if possible support the economy and bring down any supplies that might be needed. Kind of an airlift. Get as many canards and any other aircraft and organize a huge airlift and vacation at the same time!

Thank You
Hani Assabgui

On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Canardians,
One of my inspirations besides all the other great fly-ins is the Bahama Bash. Oshkosh was my quest this year in my first flight later turned Rough River now the Bahama Bash. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Now following the devastation I’m sure some things won’t be the same. I’ve read so many stories of all the wonderful hospitality from some beautiful people down there that it makes me feel the canard community should do something special this year. Any ideas?

Greg Norman
Re: COZY: Bahama bash

Izzy
 

David is right. Just showing up and spending some money on interesting services will help the people who live there get back to normal (as can be expected). My impression is many of the locals at Cat Island enjoy a challenge.

I will go again.

Izzy

On Sep 7, 2019, at 01:15, Orr <david@canardfinder.net> wrote:

I told people I was a year away right up until my first flight - kept the stress down...for them and me. I didn't tell my family that my first flight was my second flight - I did my no pressure flying a week earlier...with one good canard guy "holding the keys", so to speak. On the big day he had champagne in his strake coming to attend when his engine quit and he forced landed back at Van Nuys. Decided on a beer instead of attending my second flight - discovered his champagne on a later day.

I had people asking why I was going to Puerto Rico after their disaster - I am not much for repairing roofs but I figured people would stay away and the tourist economy would be hurt. So I went to try to do my tourist part. I'm trusting Chris and Curtis Wray to find somewhere in the Bahamas we can go and support their economy too. After 5 good trips to the Bahamas, I will go again, even if I am on the left coast. Hope you all will come to Disneyland after the big Quake of 2020...or whenever...if nothing else than to see a freeway city stop running altogether. Do something every day and the plane will get finished.

David


On 9/6/2019 7:13 PM, Gnorm76 wrote:
Canardians,
One of my inspirations besides all the other great fly-ins is the Bahama Bash. Oshkosh was my quest this year in my first flight later turned Rough River now the Bahama Bash. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Now following the devastation I’m sure some things won’t be the same. I’ve read so many stories of all the wonderful hospitality from some beautiful people down there that it makes me feel the canard community should do something special this year. Any ideas?

Greg Norman
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Re: Aileron

Andrew Anunson
 

On my Cozy, I used BSPQ43 (19 per aileron) and AD45-H (5 per aileron... these go through torque tube A10).


Andrew Anunson

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On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:40 PM, 'Joseph Berki' jskmberki@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a part number for the rivets used to attach the aileron hinges to the aileron?

Diameter grip length?

Thanks for any help

 

Joe Berki

Limo EZ
Aileron

josrph berki
 

Does anyone have a part number for the rivets used to attach the aileron hinges to the aileron?

Diameter grip length?

Thanks for any help

 

Joe Berki

Limo EZ
Re: Who makes hoses

Del Schier
 

He made me great hoses, was pleasant to deal with and reasonable.

 

My email program, MS Outlook, has been screwed up, I think it sent that before I finished typing, LOL

 

Del

 

From: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 12:00 PM
To: canard-aviators@...
Subject: Re: [c-a] Who makes hoses

 

 

His hoses are heavy or you use him heavily?


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Del Schier cozypilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Yes I use him too, very heavy


On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Greg Norman gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

That's the guy! Thanks Ron. To anyone else reading this, this guy is an excellent resource. Competitive price, high quality, easy to deal with.

 

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 10:26 PM Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Probably Tom Swearengen

 

 


On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Over a year ago I had this great guy somewhere in the southern states make me a bunch of special length hoses for my engine. You’d think this guy would keep those email communications or at least an invoice..........nope. Total old man amnesia setting in. Anyone know who I’m talking about?

Greg Norman
West 105 Epoxy System Discount

Andrew Anunson
 

West Marine sells the West 105/206 system epoxies that some of us use for finishing, and with their free shipping (orders of $49 or more) they are the least expensive supplier that I could find.  

Today through September 11th we can get 20% off on this epoxy system... along with free shipping on orders of $49.  To get the 20% discount, use code MK55830.  This saves over $100 on the 5 gallon kit.

I have been purchasing West epoxy kits for the past year, and I've never seen a discount like this... Act Quick!!!

Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA
Re: Bahama bash

cjhani
 

Do the Bash if possible support the economy and bring down any supplies that might be needed. Kind of an airlift. Get as many canards and any other aircraft and organize a huge airlift and vacation at the same time!

Thank You
Hani Assabgui

On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Canardians,
One of my inspirations besides all the other great fly-ins is the Bahama Bash. Oshkosh was my quest this year in my first flight later turned Rough River now the Bahama Bash. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Now following the devastation I’m sure some things won’t be the same. I’ve read so many stories of all the wonderful hospitality from some beautiful people down there that it makes me feel the canard community should do something special this year. Any ideas?

Greg Norman
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