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Re: RF Expert Help, Pleeeeeease!!

gary stull
 

I installed the same unit in a friend’s Cessna. Although he never complained I flew it today and noticed the same thing. The only way to eliminate it was to turn the squelch way down. I don’t buy the ground issue since the whole premise is a direct replacement of the nav light. One thing I did not try was to turn off the strobes to see if it stops, It is the wingtip assembly unit, not the tail beacon. I will try that in a couple days when I fly it again. Don’t know if u know this, but the Uavionix wingtip strobe will not work unless the nav light switch is on.


On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 



On 10/24/2019 8:40 PM, Regrot regrot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I amgetting some noise in my headset from the Uavionics echoUAT source.
> I know it is the system because when I shut it off the noise goes away.
> When it is operating it is a whooshing sound about every 1-2 seconds.
> Not sure if it an RF input or output. Sounds like a radar sweep. I
> contacted Uavionics and their response was, "Historically when noise is
> generated it is from a grounding issue or a ground loop". Well okay, but
> I am a mechanical weenie and not sure how to diagnose this issue. I
> tried wiring up the Uavionic unit directly to ground and positive at the
> battery and still get the noise. I am looking for guidance on where to
> look for this "loop". Please don't agree with Uavionics that, "yes you
> have a ground loop, have a nice day!". I am looking for some advice on
> where should I probe or look for this mysterious issue. A checklist of
> items to look at.. I have the unit right behind my head inside the
> headset, the GPS about 8 inches about the unit and the ground plane with
> antenna about 1.5 feet to the left of the unit in the strake. This unit
> also take the transponder signal off the electrical harness of the
> aircraft, as crazy as that sounds. It is not hardwired into the
> transponder. It is in a Long-EZ experimental. I have run a couple of
> PAPRR's and they show it is working fine. It is also successfully
> wifi'ing into my Foreflight IPAD. So, very happy with the unit other th
> an the noise from somewhere. I understand these Gremlins are always hard
> to find but thought you folks might have heard the same issue from
> others and may have some solutions. Thanks for any advice you can pass
> along..
>
> Help!!!

I'm not into electronics, but, if it is not the ground to the echoURT,
then perhaps the ground to the radio? The antenna ground plane?

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: RF Expert Help, Pleeeeeease!!

David A Froble
 

On 10/24/2019 8:40 PM, Regrot regrot@aol.com [canard-aviators] wrote:


Hi,

I amgetting some noise in my headset from the Uavionics echoUAT source.
I know it is the system because when I shut it off the noise goes away.
When it is operating it is a whooshing sound about every 1-2 seconds.
Not sure if it an RF input or output. Sounds like a radar sweep. I
contacted Uavionics and their response was, "Historically when noise is
generated it is from a grounding issue or a ground loop". Well okay, but
I am a mechanical weenie and not sure how to diagnose this issue. I
tried wiring up the Uavionic unit directly to ground and positive at the
battery and still get the noise. I am looking for guidance on where to
look for this "loop". Please don't agree with Uavionics that, "yes you
have a ground loop, have a nice day!". I am looking for some advice on
where should I probe or look for this mysterious issue. A checklist of
items to look at.. I have the unit right behind my head inside the
headset, the GPS about 8 inches about the unit and the ground plane with
antenna about 1.5 feet to the left of the unit in the strake. This unit
also take the transponder signal off the electrical harness of the
aircraft, as crazy as that sounds. It is not hardwired into the
transponder. It is in a Long-EZ experimental. I have run a couple of
PAPRR's and they show it is working fine. It is also successfully
wifi'ing into my Foreflight IPAD. So, very happy with the unit other th
an the noise from somewhere. I understand these Gremlins are always hard
to find but thought you folks might have heard the same issue from
others and may have some solutions. Thanks for any advice you can pass
along..

Help!!!
I'm not into electronics, but, if it is not the ground to the echoURT, then perhaps the ground to the radio? The antenna ground plane?

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: RF Expert Help, Pleeeeeease!!

David Galovich
 

Hi Torger,

Is the echoUAT connected to the GPS through pins 1 (GND) and pin 6 (COM2RX RS-232IN) on the echoUAT

Both the ground wire and the COM2RX wire should have an overbraid shield that is terminate to ground. Does that match your configuration?

Dave Galovich


Re: RF Expert Help, Pleeeeeease!!

Terrence Bartley
 

Could it be picking up noise from your strobe condenser?

On Oct 24, 2019 8:41 PM, "Regrot regrot@... [canard-aviators]" wrote:
 

Hi,

I am getting some noise in my headset from the Uavionics echoUAT source. I know it is the system because when I shut it off the noise goes away. When it is operating it is a whooshing sound about every 1-2 seconds. Not sure if it an RF input or output. Sounds like a radar sweep.  I contacted Uavionics and their response was, "Historically when noise is generated it is from a grounding issue or a ground loop". Well okay, but I am a mechanical weenie and not sure how to diagnose this issue. I tried wiring up the Uavionic unit directly to ground and positive at the battery and still get the noise. I am looking for guidance on where to look for this "loop". Please don't agree with Uavionics that, "yes you have a ground loop, have a nice day!". I am looking for some advice on where should I probe or look for this mysterious issue. A checklist of items to look at..  I have the unit right behind my head inside the headset, the GPS about 8 inches about the unit and the ground plane with antenna about 1.5 feet to the left of the unit in the strake. This unit also take the transponder signal off the electrical harness of the aircraft, as crazy as that sounds. It is not hardwired into the transponder.  It is in a Long-EZ experimental. I have run a couple of PAPRR's and they show it is working fine. It is also successfully wifi'ing into my Foreflight IPAD. So, very happy with the unit other than the noise from somewhere. I understand these Gremlins are always hard to find but thought you folks might have heard the same issue from others and may have some solutions. Thanks for any advice you can pass along..

Help!!! 

Torger T.
Long-EZ 606TT
KFUL
regrot@...
(714) 381-1376


RF Expert Help, Pleeeeeease!!

Torger Totusek
 

Hi,

I am getting some noise in my headset from the Uavionics echoUAT source. I know it is the system because when I shut it off the noise goes away. When it is operating it is a whooshing sound about every 1-2 seconds. Not sure if it an RF input or output. Sounds like a radar sweep.  I contacted Uavionics and their response was, "Historically when noise is generated it is from a grounding issue or a ground loop". Well okay, but I am a mechanical weenie and not sure how to diagnose this issue. I tried wiring up the Uavionic unit directly to ground and positive at the battery and still get the noise. I am looking for guidance on where to look for this "loop". Please don't agree with Uavionics that, "yes you have a ground loop, have a nice day!". I am looking for some advice on where should I probe or look for this mysterious issue. A checklist of items to look at..  I have the unit right behind my head inside the headset, the GPS about 8 inches about the unit and the ground plane with antenna about 1.5 feet to the left of the unit in the strake. This unit also take the transponder signal off the electrical harness of the aircraft, as crazy as that sounds. It is not hardwired into the transponder.  It is in a Long-EZ experimental. I have run a couple of PAPRR's and they show it is working fine. It is also successfully wifi'ing into my Foreflight IPAD. So, very happy with the unit other than the noise from somewhere. I understand these Gremlins are always hard to find but thought you folks might have heard the same issue from others and may have some solutions. Thanks for any advice you can pass along..

Help!!! 

Torger T.
Long-EZ 606TT
KFUL
regrot@...
(714) 381-1376


Re: Is Anywheremap still in business??

Terrence Bartley
 

Regrot:

 

Following is the contact info I have for Anywheremap.  Mine won’t download either.  I changed to Foreflight.  However, they are a defense contractor so I am sure the parent company is still there.  You may have to do some searching to get the correct name.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

www.support.anywheremap.net/free.

 

Paige Holmes

Control Vision Corp.

620-231-6647

paige@...

 

 

From: canard-aviators@... <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:58 PM
To: canard-aviators@...
Subject: [c-a] Is Anywheremap still in business??

 

 

Hi,

 

Is Anywheremap still in business? I have sent an email to "Linda" with no response and their phone number on their website no longer answers.. I am having trouble downloading their database and think they are no longer around. Are they?

 

Torger T

Long-EZ N606TT

KFUL


Re: Is Anywheremap still in business??

Tom Smith <TRCSmith@...>
 

this is all I get, https://www.controlvision.com/. Just follow the pages from anywhere map on the home page. The downloads are there.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Regrot regrot@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 9:06 pm
Subject: [c-a] Is Anywheremap still in business??



Hi,
 
Is Anywheremap still in business? I have sent an email to "Linda" with no response and their phone number on their website no longer answers.. I am having trouble downloading their database and think they are no longer around. Are they?
 
Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
KFUL



Is Anywheremap still in business??

Torger Totusek
 

Hi,
 
Is Anywheremap still in business? I have sent an email to "Linda" with no response and their phone number on their website no longer answers.. I am having trouble downloading their database and think they are no longer around. Are they?
 
Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
KFUL


Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Bruce Hughes
 

Greg, Mike, Harley, and Bob

Got my computer back.

Greg: thank you but the box will
be finished today, I think.  It will
do the job very well, I think.  It
is just 2x2 and 1x2 lumber with
1/2" rigid insulation sheets on the
lumber.   Light, easy to move.

If I am using Aeropoxy I will have
to use it even in July and August.
I did not build much of the structure
Mainly the top and bottom of the
strakes and a longer nose.   What
I did was on Maui.

Mike:  I just want to see 75 degrees
on the glass and epoxy.   I have to
redo the flanges to hold the new, upper
cowl on.  Don't want that going into
the propeller.  It is also slightly modified
so I will have to do the 75 degree
treatment on it too.

Harley, I want to try Camlocks but I
am afraid to do that.

Bob: The lower cowl is off.   It fits fine
but it will have to be a male to make
a female mold to make a new, lighter
lower cowl.   It may be Spring before I
get that far along.   I am going to Maui
on Dec. 3.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard
Sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 11:17:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature







I can attest to that. Even though I used my (17 pound, several times remodeled) lower cowl as a plug for the mold to ensure a perfect fit - NOT,  it was pretty cantankerous to get on. A month later I could just throw the 7 pounder at the airplane and it would go on. All that heat just sort of melts it into submission, I guess. 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 5:17 AM Harley Dixon harley@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 





I can attest to that, Mike...


The lower half of my cowl was EXTREMELY difficult to fit for awhile.
Installed camlocks to make the mounting quicker and easier. Had a
hard time lining them up and getting the cowl close enough to the
fuselage and wings to engage the screw. But now that I've got about
20 hours on the engine, taking the cowl off and putting it back on
is much easier...all the camlocks line up very well and just click
into place with little effort. Even put a couple of shorter camlock
screws in since the cowl fits better.


So, I agree...


Bruce...I'm not sure how well it can realign itself after post
curing.  So, don't post cure the cowling...let it do it's own thing
and, from Mike and my experience (and probably others), it'll fit
better in the long run.


Harley



On 10/22/2019 6:28 AM, Mike Tooze
miketooze@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Hi Bruce,


With all that advice from guys who know 'real cold' I am
not qualified to add anything to what they say.

What I would advise is NOT to post cure a cowl before
fitting and running-up the engine to temperature.

This is as no matter how good you may be at making the
cowl it most likely will not fit exactly. Therefore after
fitting, running the engine will ensure that the cowl
'moves' as it warms and post cures 'onsite' to achieve a
good fit.

Best wishes,

Mike T

O-235 VE
On Monday, 21 October 2019, 01:33:18 BST, Bruce
Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators]
wrote:


Hi Dave


Thank you very much for your email.


Yes, I have 3 of those small heaters already.

I am sure that one of them will be enough;

as the box and insulation were carefully made.


Yes, I guess I have to drain what little fuel

that is in one tank.  I will wait until a "warm"

day (by western Washington standards) and

roll the doors wide open.  I don't like taking

fuel out the bottom drain as some fuel runs

backward from the drain hole especially when

it is near empty.  I have done that several times.


Bruce




----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Froble davef@...
[canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>

To: canard-aviators@...

Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature




On 10/20/2019 11:50 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...

[canard-aviators] wrote:


> The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3
electric heaters on 24/7.

> So I am building an i nsulated box 6' x 6' x 6'
around the engine

> and rear of the strakes/fuselage.  I have a
very accurate

> thermometor and electric heater.  I was told to
use at least 1 fan

> to circulate the heat (the heater also has a
fan).


You can purchase small electric heaters many places,
WalMart for sure.

They have variable heat range, you need to test
until you get the temp

you want.  I use one in my "epoxy box".


> I will finish building/equipping the box
Monday.

>

> I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.

>

> For Monday's work:

>

> HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of
fuselage area?

> The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the
box only goes

> to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit
front of the box

> if I open the canopy) and 3' from the
centerline on each side.


Don't exceed 150 degrees F and you cannot hurt any
of the foam in the

aircraft.


> There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't
have a

> carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.  There must
be fuel in

> the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and
primer line.


If using heaters, I'd make sure there was NO fuel in
the aircraft.


--

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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@...

DFE Ultralights, Inc.

170 Grimplin Road

Vanderbilt, PA  15486



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Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Bob Holliston
 

I can attest to that. Even though I used my (17 pound, several times remodeled) lower cowl as a plug for the mold to ensure a perfect fit - NOT,  it was pretty cantankerous to get on. A month later I could just throw the 7 pounder at the airplane and it would go on. All that heat just sort of melts it into submission, I guess. 


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 5:17 AM Harley Dixon harley@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

I can attest to that, Mike...

The lower half of my cowl was EXTREMELY difficult to fit for awhile. Installed camlocks to make the mounting quicker and easier. Had a hard time lining them up and getting the cowl close enough to the fuselage and wings to engage the screw. But now that I've got about 20 hours on the engine, taking the cowl off and putting it back on is much easier...all the camlocks line up very well and just click into place with little effort. Even put a couple of shorter camlock screws in since the cowl fits better.

So, I agree...

Bruce...I'm not sure how well it can realign itself after post curing.  So, don't post cure the cowling...let it do it's own thing and, from Mike and my experience (and probably others), it'll fit better in the long run.

Harley



On 10/22/2019 6:28 AM, Mike Tooze miketooze@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
Hi Bruce,

With all that advice from guys who know 'real cold' I am not qualified to add anything to what they say.
What I would advise is NOT to post cure a cowl before fitting and running-up the engine to temperature.
This is as no matter how good you may be at making the cowl it most likely will not fit exactly. Therefore after fitting, running the engine will ensure that the cowl 'moves' as it warms and post cures 'onsite' to achieve a good fit.
Best wishes,
Mike T
O-235 VE
On Monday, 21 October 2019, 01:33:18 BST, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


Hi Dave

Thank you very much for your email.

Yes, I have 3 of those small heaters already.
I am sure that one of them will be enough;
as the box and insulation were carefully made.

Yes, I guess I have to drain what little fuel
that is in one tank.  I will wait until a "warm"
day (by western Washington standards) and
roll the doors wide open.  I don't like taking
fuel out the bottom drain as some fuel runs
backward from the drain hole especially when
it is near empty.  I have done that several times.

Bruce



----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature



On 10/20/2019 11:50 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...
[canard-aviators] wrote:

> The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric heaters on 24/7.
> So I am building an i nsulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around the engine
> and rear of the strakes/fuselage.  I have a very accurate
> thermometor and electric heater.  I was told to use at least 1 fan
> to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).

You can purchase small electric heaters many places, WalMart for sure.
They have variable heat range, you need to test until you get the temp
you want.  I use one in my "epoxy box".

> I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.
>
> I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.
>
> For Monday's work:
>
> HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
> The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only goes
> to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of the box
> if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on each side.

Don't exceed 150 degrees F and you cannot hurt any of the foam in the
aircraft.

> There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
> carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.  There must be fuel in
> the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.

If using heaters, I'd make sure there was NO fuel in the aircraft.

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@...
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Vanderbilt, PA  15486


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Re: Announcement: The Future of Canard Aircraft (Yahoo)

Jon Matcho
 

Hello Canardians,

Thanks to everyone offering feedback.  Rest assured that this forum, its members, messages, files, and images are being safely preserved so that nothing is lost.

There is strong support to migrate the discussion to the Canard Zone www.canardzone.com, but I am also considering a migration to groups.io for those that care only for email-based discussions.  Most Yahoo email groups are now migrating to Groups.io, which has the best mailing list engine available today (it was created to answer Yahoo's stalling progress with their offerings).  

The Canard Zone is using the best forum software available based on my research and the forum software's track record (Invision).  The software is better than any others, including vBulletin, XenForo, and clearly the others with ample tools and community support to minimize overhead and labor.  Both of these platforms have been around for years (Groups.io for 5 and Invision for 17).

There's much more that I would like to do grow the experimental canard aircraft community and the Canard Zone with participation and even some help from fellow builder/flyers.  Stay tuned for future updates, and do not hesitate to reach out to me directly in the meantime.

Thank you,

Jon Matcho
jonmatcho@...





Re: Yahoo Group Changes

Jon Matcho
 

Bruce, regarding your comment:  I tried to join "Canardzone" and post a question.
The "TAGS" part completely defeated me

It sounds like you weren't on the Canard Zone website (I am the admin at the Canard Zone and don't know what "the TAGS part" is).  

You can register at the Canard Zone here:  https://www.canardzone.com/register/ 

Jon




---In canard-aviators@..., <ezcopilot@...> wrote :

Group:

I tried to join "Canardzone" and post a question.
The "TAGS" part completely defeated me so I
am posting a question on this group.  

I hope there is still someone reading and replying.

Thank you very much.

Bruce Hughes






Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Harley Dixon
 

I can attest to that, Mike...

The lower half of my cowl was EXTREMELY difficult to fit for awhile. Installed camlocks to make the mounting quicker and easier. Had a hard time lining them up and getting the cowl close enough to the fuselage and wings to engage the screw. But now that I've got about 20 hours on the engine, taking the cowl off and putting it back on is much easier...all the camlocks line up very well and just click into place with little effort. Even put a couple of shorter camlock screws in since the cowl fits better.

So, I agree...

Bruce...I'm not sure how well it can realign itself after post curing.  So, don't post cure the cowling...let it do it's own thing and, from Mike and my experience (and probably others), it'll fit better in the long run.

Harley


On 10/22/2019 6:28 AM, Mike Tooze miketooze@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
Hi Bruce,

With all that advice from guys who know 'real cold' I am not qualified to add anything to what they say.
What I would advise is NOT to post cure a cowl before fitting and running-up the engine to temperature.
This is as no matter how good you may be at making the cowl it most likely will not fit exactly. Therefore after fitting, running the engine will ensure that the cowl 'moves' as it warms and post cures 'onsite' to achieve a good fit.
Best wishes,
Mike T
O-235 VE
On Monday, 21 October 2019, 01:33:18 BST, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


Hi Dave

Thank you very much for your email.

Yes, I have 3 of those small heaters already.
I am sure that one of them will be enough;
as the box and insulation were carefully made.

Yes, I guess I have to drain what little fuel
that is in one tank.  I will wait until a "warm"
day (by western Washington standards) and
roll the doors wide open.  I don't like taking
fuel out the bottom drain as some fuel runs
backward from the drain hole especially when
it is near empty.  I have done that several times.

Bruce



----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature



On 10/20/2019 11:50 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...
[canard-aviators] wrote:

> The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric heaters on 24/7.
> So I am building an i nsulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around the engine
> and rear of the strakes/fuselage.  I have a very accurate
> thermometor and electric heater.  I was told to use at least 1 fan
> to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).

You can purchase small electric heaters many places, WalMart for sure.
They have variable heat range, you need to test until you get the temp
you want.  I use one in my "epoxy box".

> I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.
>
> I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.
>
> For Monday's work:
>
> HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
> The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only goes
> to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of the box
> if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on each side.

Don't exceed 150 degrees F and you cannot hurt any of the foam in the
aircraft.

> There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
> carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.  There must be fuel in
> the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.

If using heaters, I'd make sure there was NO fuel in the aircraft.

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Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Mike Tooze
 

Hi Bruce,

With all that advice from guys who know 'real cold' I am not qualified to add anything to what they say.
What I would advise is NOT to post cure a cowl before fitting and running-up the engine to temperature.
This is as no matter how good you may be at making the cowl it most likely will not fit exactly. Therefore after fitting, running the engine will ensure that the cowl 'moves' as it warms and post cures 'onsite' to achieve a good fit.
Best wishes,
Mike T
O-235 VE

On Monday, 21 October 2019, 01:33:18 BST, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


Hi Dave

Thank you very much for your email.

Yes, I have 3 of those small heaters already.
I am sure that one of them will be enough;
as the box and insulation were carefully made.

Yes, I guess I have to drain what little fuel
that is in one tank.  I will wait until a "warm"
day (by western Washington standards) and
roll the doors wide open.  I don't like taking
fuel out the bottom drain as some fuel runs
backward from the drain hole especially when
it is near empty.  I have done that several times.

Bruce



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To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature



On 10/20/2019 11:50 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@...
[canard-aviators] wrote:

> The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric heaters on 24/7.
> So I am building an i nsulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around the engine
> and rear of the strakes/fuselage.  I have a very accurate
> thermometor and electric heater.  I was told to use at least 1 fan
> to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).

You can purchase small electric heaters many places, WalMart for sure.
They have variable heat range, you need to test until you get the temp
you want.  I use one in my "epoxy box".

> I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.
>
> I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.
>
> For Monday's work:
>
> HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
> The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only goes
> to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of the box
> if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on each side.

Don't exceed 150 degrees F and you cannot hurt any of the foam in the
aircraft.

> There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
> carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.  There must be fuel in
> the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.

If using heaters, I'd make sure there was NO fuel in the aircraft.

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Re: cold-starting O235s...

Mike Tooze
 

Steve,
Since I shelved the two Bendix mags for a Rose and, finally, a PMag I have not had much trouble hand propping. (To be honest the Bendix's weren't toooo bad either)
I follow as Jorgen and Ken say re the Lyco SLL192B but as I have a 4 into 1 pipe I cannot prime with any 'super start' stuff. I do have an accelerator pump on the carb and in cold conditions I need around four pumps to get a response. So nothing new there.

What I would add is that, as advised by someone here, on close-down I follow the SL but then run for around 15 secs fuel shut 'off' before shutting down with the mixture. This ensures that you won't get flooding next time. Generally this is for normal to hot conditions but I found that at least you know 'where you are' in that in the cold you know how long to run the electric pump for a full carb (you can hear it also) before the four or so pumps.
If all else fails I switch on the Rose as well as the PMag and it fires straight off! - Not recommended for regular starts.
It's tough but after many years most find their own technique ;^) - I'm still happy without a starter and all.

BTW That's as for away from base. At home I have a large cardboard box cut to fit under the NASA and a 2kW fan.
Mike Tooze VE
O-235 8.5 and sans most

On Saturday, 19 October 2019, 17:28:57 BST, Jorgen Skovbjerg skovbjerg@... [canard-aviators] wrote:




Steve,
The prior shut down procedure might be as much at play here as you starting procedure. From what I read, you start on the mag which is firing the lower plugs? It is then important that these plugs are burned clean prior to shut down. 
I will recommend that you after landing run the engine up, say 2,000 rpm, lean for max rpm and then cut it out after about 30 sec. Then you should have a clean set of plugs to fire on next start.

:-)
Jay

On Oct 19, 2019, at 06:43, Steve Stearns steve@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Greetings all,

I hand-prop the O235 on my Longeze reasonably easily most of the time.  And I always pre-heat it when it's been cold and I'm at my home hangar..

But... Flying back from Boise this last weekend, the plane was out on the ramp and the overnight temps were high twenties or low thirties.  It took me a lot longer than I would like to get it started and figured some of you may have a lot more experience and could offer up some tricks.

For the record:  It's an O235-C1 w/ L2C pistons, carburetor, start on mag (and a Rose on the other ignition).  No plumbed-in primer - I prime via an oz or so of gas in the right pipe and pull it through, backward, by eight blades.  My starting pulls are slow, not energetic.

I appreciate all ideas (esp. well informed and experienced ones!)

Steve Stearns
O235 Longeze N45FC ~1500Hrs
Boulder/Longmont CO




Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Bob Holliston
 

Bruce, years ago, mid winter (PNW) I wanted to R&R the cylinders and do some panel work in my hanger. I built a structure 8' high over the plane out of 2x4's about 10' X 10'. I hung blue Walmart tarps over it, taped off at the wing roots and just behind the canard. At the center of the ceiling I hung a 1,000 watt halide (indoor pot growers) light. The light made 1,000 watts of heat and made it bright daylight inside and got me an early start on my tan. Also I used a 3 burner propane heater. OAT was 30 - 40 F and inside it was t shirt weather. It was so comfy that sometimes I would take an after lunch nap in the cockpit. 


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:55 AM Greg Norman gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Bruce,
An A&P buddy of mine works on airplanes all winter here in MI. We know cold. He uses one of those 6' x 6' fold up canopies you can buy at any sporting good store or Harbor Freight for 50 bucks. He wraps the canopy with a small blue tarp around the sides and clips it on with those strong spring steel big paper clips. He uses a small ceramic disc space heater and it works great. You'd be surprised how much heat it will hold. I have rigged something similar and just drape a king size bed comforter over it. Believe me overnight if the air doesn't circulate enough whatever that heater sits under will get real hot. I blistered an aileron already that way. Better than building some big wooden box.

Greg Norman
Cozy #134

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 8:22 PM Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
 

Hi Ken

Thank you very much for your reply,
That is exactly what I plan to do:
set it in the mid 80s and leave it 24 hours.

Before I moved it from Western Air Park
to OLM I had a small workshop that I kept
at 70 for my own comfort.    I did do some
work where I would put up a temporary
"box" and kept the temp in it at 80, every day.

At OLM the electrical supply will only support
3 small heaters and the warm air goes right
to the high ceiling and out the cracks for the
door mechanism.

I guess I have to drain the fuel; there is about
10 gallons (only) in one tank as I was going to
calibrate the "Ugolini" tank probe when I had
the time.

Bruce





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From: Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature







Bruce-

Keep in mind that these are *room temperature cure* epoxy
systems. I'd suggest just setting the thermostat for a pleasantly
warm temperature in mid 80 F range. Once cured, if you really want
it stronger you could waste some time post curing it off the
airplane at higher temperatures but, in the real world, it's going
to see a lot of them w/o any extra work after shutting down a warm
engine.

Ken

On 10/20/2019 10:50 AM, Bruce Hughes
ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:

??

Group:

I bought a "90% complete" project years ago.
Lived on Maui but now in western Washington.

Put the top and bottom of the strakes on using
Aeropoxy.
It sat in the sun on Maui a lot so I think it bonded
well.
Anyway it is now in WA and has flown 45 hours.
FAA legal airplane.

Now I have improvements to make such as putting a
lighter
top cowl on.???? That requires a higher temperature than

ever exists in the hangar at Olympia.???? Nighttime
temperatures
in July and August are not warm enough to use Aeropoxy.

The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric
heaters on 24/7.
So I am building an insulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around
the engine
and rear of the strakes/fuselage.?? I have a very
accurate
thermometor and electric heater.???? I was told to use at
least 1 fan
to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).

I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.

I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.

For Monday's work:

HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only
goes
to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of
the box
if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on
each side. ??

There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.???? There must be fuel
in
the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.

I will greatly appreciate any comments.

Bruce Hughes












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Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Greg Norman
 

Bruce,
An A&P buddy of mine works on airplanes all winter here in MI. We know cold. He uses one of those 6' x 6' fold up canopies you can buy at any sporting good store or Harbor Freight for 50 bucks. He wraps the canopy with a small blue tarp around the sides and clips it on with those strong spring steel big paper clips. He uses a small ceramic disc space heater and it works great. You'd be surprised how much heat it will hold. I have rigged something similar and just drape a king size bed comforter over it. Believe me overnight if the air doesn't circulate enough whatever that heater sits under will get real hot. I blistered an aileron already that way. Better than building some big wooden box.

Greg Norman
Cozy #134

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 8:22 PM Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ken

Thank you very much for your reply,
That is exactly what I plan to do:
set it in the mid 80s and leave it 24 hours.

Before I moved it from Western Air Park
to OLM I had a small workshop that I kept
at 70 for my own comfort.    I did do some
work where I would put up a temporary
"box" and kept the temp in it at 80, every day.

At OLM the electrical supply will only support
3 small heaters and the warm air goes right
to the high ceiling and out the cracks for the
door mechanism.

I guess I have to drain the fuel; there is about
10 gallons (only) in one tank as I was going to
calibrate the "Ugolini" tank probe when I had
the time.

Bruce





----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature







Bruce-

Keep in mind that these are *room temperature cure* epoxy
systems. I'd suggest just setting the thermostat for a pleasantly
warm temperature in mid 80 F range. Once cured, if you really want
it stronger you could waste some time post curing it off the
airplane at higher temperatures but, in the real world, it's going
to see a lot of them w/o any extra work after shutting down a warm
engine.

Ken

On 10/20/2019 10:50 AM, Bruce Hughes
ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:

??

Group:

I bought a "90% complete" project years ago.
Lived on Maui but now in western Washington.

Put the top and bottom of the strakes on using
Aeropoxy.
It sat in the sun on Maui a lot so I think it bonded
well.
Anyway it is now in WA and has flown 45 hours.
FAA legal airplane.

Now I have improvements to make such as putting a
lighter
top cowl on.???? That requires a higher temperature than

ever exists in the hangar at Olympia.???? Nighttime
temperatures
in July and August are not warm enough to use Aeropoxy.

The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric
heaters on 24/7.
So I am building an insulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around
the engine
and rear of the strakes/fuselage.?? I have a very
accurate
thermometor and electric heater.???? I was told to use at
least 1 fan
to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).

I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.

I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.

For Monday's work:

HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only
goes
to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of
the box
if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on
each side. ??

There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
carburetor; I have an Ellison TB.???? There must be fuel
in
the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.

I will greatly appreciate any comments.

Bruce Hughes











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FW: [EAA113] Yahoo Groups going away...

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A Good friend of mine, has done some research on the yahoo group problem and found “a” answer as stated below.  It might be worth considering.

 

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Re: Aeropoxy and temperature

Bruce Hughes
 

Hi Dave

Thank you very much for your email.

Yes, I have 3 of those small heaters already.
I am sure that one of them will be enough;
as the box and insulation were carefully made.

Yes, I guess I have to drain what little fuel
that is in one tank. I will wait until a "warm"
day (by western Washington standards) and
roll the doors wide open. I don't like taking
fuel out the bottom drain as some fuel runs
backward from the drain hole especially when
it is near empty. I have done that several times.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Froble davef@tsoft-inc.com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com>
To: canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Aeropoxy and temperature



On 10/20/2019 11:50 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@fairpoint.net
[canard-aviators] wrote:

The hangar at OLM runs about 52 to 55 with 3 electric heaters on 24/7.
So I am building an i nsulated box 6' x 6' x 6' around the engine
and rear of the strakes/fuselage. I have a very accurate
thermometor and electric heater. I was told to use at least 1 fan
to circulate the heat (the heater also has a fan).
You can purchase small electric heaters many places, WalMart for sure.
They have variable heat range, you need to test until you get the temp
you want. I use one in my "epoxy box".

I will finish building/equipping the box Monday.

I am using Aeropoxy and will call them Tuesday.

For Monday's work:

HOW HOT should I get the engine/rear of fuselage area?
The only styrofoam is pretty far away as the box only goes
to the very rear of the strakes (I almost hit front of the box
if I open the canopy) and 3' from the centerline on each side.
Don't exceed 150 degrees F and you cannot hurt any of the foam in the
aircraft.

There is no fuel in the carburetor as I don't have a
carburetor; I have an Ellison TB. There must be fuel in
the gascolator, fuel pump, fuel line, and primer line.
If using heaters, I'd make sure there was NO fuel in the aircraft.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


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