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Re: Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

Jenatepilot
 

Gorgeous work sir. Go for it. You’ll end up sanding off 99% of the skim coat anyways. Otherwise just hunt down those pin holes after you shoot uour first round of primer. Use a body filler. It’s ez :) 

Nate 

On Feb 1, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Anunson via Groups.Io <macleodm3@...> wrote:


I have a few small pinholes in the micro fill on the ailerons and elevators (see attached photo).  On the rest of the plane, I've used raw epoxy fill for the pinholes.  Do we use the raw epoxy technique on the ailerons and elevators, or will this make them out of balance?  Perhaps these pinholes are small enough to be hidden by paint....

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA
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Re: COZY: Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

Wayne Hicks
 

Worse yet, the paint might bridge the pinhole at first.  But the air trapped in the pinhole will eventually pop the hole open after a few times of flying at altitude.

....Wayne Hicks



On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 03:03:31 PM EST, 'David Kissick' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:


Paint will not bridge those pin holes. They will have to be filled. 

David Kissick


On Feb 1, 2020, at 11:28 AM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

I have a few small pinholes in the micro fill on the ailerons and elevators (see attached photo).  On the rest of the plane, I've used raw epoxy fill for the pinholes.  Do we use the raw epoxy technique on the ailerons and elevators, or will this make them out of balance?  Perhaps these pinholes are small enough to be hidden by paint....

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA

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Re: COZY: Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

David K
 

Paint will not bridge those pin holes. They will have to be filled. 

David Kissick


On Feb 1, 2020, at 11:28 AM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

I have a few small pinholes in the micro fill on the ailerons and elevators (see attached photo).  On the rest of the plane, I've used raw epoxy fill for the pinholes.  Do we use the raw epoxy technique on the ailerons and elevators, or will this make them out of balance?  Perhaps these pinholes are small enough to be hidden by paint....

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA

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Re: COZY: Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

diver32533
 

It's been my experience that paint does not fill pin holes with any success. I would fill with raw epoxy and squeegee good.



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From: 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...>
Date: 02/01/2020 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: COZY: Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

I have a few small pinholes in the micro fill on the ailerons and elevators (see attached photo).  On the rest of the plane, I've used raw epoxy fill for the pinholes.  Do we use the raw epoxy technique on the ailerons and elevators, or will this make them out of balance?  Perhaps these pinholes are small enough to be hidden by paint....

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA


Raw Epoxy Fill for Elevators and Ailerons

Andrew Anunson
 

I have a few small pinholes in the micro fill on the ailerons and elevators (see attached photo).  On the rest of the plane, I've used raw epoxy fill for the pinholes.  Do we use the raw epoxy technique on the ailerons and elevators, or will this make them out of balance?  Perhaps these pinholes are small enough to be hidden by paint....

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA


Re: Stratus 3 ADS-B Receiver for sale

Glenn Charles
 

Why not keep it as a back up ?

This crazy electronic technology is changing so fast it’s hard to know when to jump in !

GM




On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:22 AM, Brian Scott <blscott456@...> wrote:



I have a nearly new Stratus 3 ADS-B Receiver for sale as a result of recently purchasing and installing the uAvionix Echo unit which is both an “in” and “out” solution. The Stratus 3 is a great unit and it has just 40 hours of flight time use. It comes with the charging cord, non-slip dash mount, pilot's guide and carrying case. I bought it from Sporty’s at $700 and would like to get $450 for it. I will send pictures if contacted offline please.

 

Thanks..........Brian Scott

blscott1@...

Cozy III  Phoenix, AZ


Canard Calendar - February

Erlend Moen <erlend@...>
 

The February Canard Desktop Calendar is ready for download.

As always: Thanks a lot for the many beautiful pictures I have received so far. I’m always looking for new pictures, if you have pictures to share, please send them over to me. I need as large resolution as possible. My bandwidth is no problem, so don’t be afraid to send over large images!

 

Safe flying (and building)!

 

Here is the link: http://ljosnes.no/cozy/canard-calendar

 

PS: If the new calendar doesn’t show up, it’s probably because the website is cached in your web browser. Try to hit F5 to reload the page if this happens.

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Erlend Moen

Cozy #1556 – chapter 20


Re: Glass Needed Here?

Jenatepilot
 

It’s not in the plans from what I’ve studied but IMO a good practice and adds weight where it counts while sealing off the exposed foam and lead.

On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Anunson via Groups.Io <macleodm3@...> wrote:

Should we apply glass to the sides of the outboard elevator weight and foam? I have attached a picture of the area I am asking about.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV # 1273


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Stratus 3 ADS-B Receiver for sale

Brian Scott
 

I have a nearly new Stratus 3 ADS-B Receiver for sale as a result of recently purchasing and installing the uAvionix Echo unit which is both an “in” and “out” solution. The Stratus 3 is a great unit and it has just 40 hours of flight time use. It comes with the charging cord, non-slip dash mount, pilot's guide and carrying case. I bought it from Sporty’s at $700 and would like to get $450 for it. I will send pictures if contacted offline please.

 

Thanks..........Brian Scott

blscott1@...

Cozy III  Phoenix, AZ


Re: COZY: Glass Needed Here?

Andrew Anunson
 

It is done...



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On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Marc J. Zeitlin <marc.j.zeitlin@...> wrote:


Bob Forster wrote:

The only concern I might have would be if extended to the weight itself.  How would glass or epoxy stick to that?  Maybe glass the foam only?  Would roughing-up the lead help?

Sand it with 80 grit, clean with alcohol, and it sticks well enough. 

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Re: Skybeacon Installation on a Long-Ez

Jim Evans
 

Hey Steve. Been a long time. Come see us at XSA. Should have four canards here in another month. 
Jim

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 18:26 Steve Rothert via Groups.Io <SWROTHERT=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Marc,
Good question!  The Skybeacon is used in concert with what is left of the Whelen light assembly, which is only the rear facing white light.  I guess I was not clear enough in my description.

Thanks,
Steve


Re: COZY: Glass Needed Here?

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Bob Forster wrote:

The only concern I might have would be if extended to the weight itself.  How would glass or epoxy stick to that?  Maybe glass the foam only?  Would roughing-up the lead help?

Sand it with 80 grit, clean with alcohol, and it sticks well enough. 

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Re: Skybeacon Installation on a Long-Ez

Steve Rothert
 

Marc,
Good question!  The Skybeacon is used in concert with what is left of the Whelen light assembly, which is only the rear facing white light.  I guess I was not clear enough in my description.

Thanks,
Steve


Re: COZY: Glass Needed Here?

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Andrew Anunson wrote:

Should we apply glass to the sides of the outboard elevator weight and foam?  I have attached a picture of the area I am asking about.

The plans don't call for it, and it's not absolutely necessary, but I do recommend it. Just one BID is fine to close out the foam and stabilize the assembly. 

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Re: Skybeacon Installation on a Long-Ez

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Steve Rothert wrote:

For those canard drivers who have not yet installed an ADSB - Out solution, here is an installation in which I assisted using a uAvionix Skybeacon.  (I had already assisted in the installation of three uAvionix Echo UAT and this was going to be the first Skybeacon).  The decision was made to mount it below the combination Whelen light on the left wing, with some type of mounting plate.  Then go fly it, to see if it worked.

Is the idea (assuming it works) to use it in CONCERT with the existing Whelen tip system? Or instead of it?

Since the SkyBeacon does not have a while NAV light, by itself it's not legal - the white rear NAV light is required for night flight. What's the plan?

This is why I don't recommend the SkyBeacon for canard aircraft...

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Glass Needed Here?

Andrew Anunson
 

Should we apply glass to the sides of the outboard elevator weight and foam? I have attached a picture of the area I am asking about.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV # 1273


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Skybeacon Installation on a Long-Ez

Steve Rothert
 

For those canard drivers who have not yet installed an ADSB - Out solution, here is an installation in which I assisted using a uAvionix Skybeacon.  (I had already assisted in the installation of three uAvionix Echo UAT and this was going to be the first Skybeacon).  The decision was made to mount it below the combination Whelen light on the left wing, with some type of mounting plate.  Then go fly it, to see if it worked.

First, we detached the strobe wiring at the Whelen strobe power supply. At the left wing, we removed the two screws of the Whelen metal shell holding the red forward facing lens cover, strobe light and rear facing white light, followed by the two screws holding the metal fixture to the wing.  Only the metal fixture, the red lens cover and the rear facing white light and lens cover were retained.

A trial template was made to check dimensions, hole locations etc.   The final mounting plate was made of 1/8 plywood with two layers of bid on either side, because that is what I had.  Or, one could probably just layup a pad of fiberglass, instead of the wood core.  We used the existing mounting screws and Whelen bracket to secure the mounting plate to the wing.  The Skybeacon came with mounting screws but we had to provide the washers and nuts.








The first flight generated a clean PAPR report.  However, we had some concerns that the existing Whelen metal shell was blocking the ADSB antenna on the Skybeacon so we fabricated a fiberglass shell in its place.






The second flight with the fiberglass shell showed better numbers.  The average NIC improved from 8.0 to 8.9  and the average NACP improved from 9.0 to 9.5 in the PAPR report.

Hope this helps.

Steve Rothert & John Thomas
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Cooper State Flyin

Patrick Panzera
 

Canards at COPPERSTATE 2019

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 5:15 AM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am planning on having my trailer there, plus flying my Longez in.  It’s a little tough pulling my trailer with the Longez, but it is a 0-320😊 Rick Reuland is the campground host and flys a Longez.  Gary Hertzler will be there for sure.  There should be quite a few canards there.  We can enjoy a cold or hot beverage around the campfire in the evenings.  I plan to be there Thursday thru Saturday night. See you there!
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:45 PM, Rick Hall <rickh@...> wrote:
>
> Here's what I know, or don't know. Take it for what it's worth.
>
> I plan on flying my Cozy there, camping under my wing. Flying from Colorado has issues this time of year (cold, snow, mountains, ...), Thurs to Sunday. I generally fly with adult beverages for me, other requests considered.
>
> Campground host flies a canard, BONUS!!!!
>
> Gary Hertzler is featured speaker at composite forum and workshop. Your (my) assistance will be appreciated.
>
> If flying in, anticipate taxi over watered down loose gravel to camp spot. If driving in, plan on dirt. Related, the ground is like concrete, bring sturdy tie down stakes if air camping.
>
> Showers available and no/low cost, but take note of normal outside air temps for your walk to showers. It's cold, even for this Colorado boy.
>
> Food available at vendors during airshow. Anticipate circus food, reasonably good circus food.
>
> Rick
>
>> On 1/27/2020 11:00 PM, Rich Schleicher wrote:
>> Is there going to be a canard gathering at Cooper State this year?  I am planning to go weather permitting for the 1st time and would like to know what to expect for those that have been in years past and what others are doing for accommodations. I am planning to camp Friday and Saturday night. I did not see any canard specific forums but hope to see Gary Hertzler, Marc Z, and other familiar faces.
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Re: Cooper State Flyin

Don B
 

I am planning on having my trailer there, plus flying my Longez in. It’s a little tough pulling my trailer with the Longez, but it is a 0-320😊 Rick Reuland is the campground host and flys a Longez. Gary Hertzler will be there for sure. There should be quite a few canards there. We can enjoy a cold or hot beverage around the campfire in the evenings. I plan to be there Thursday thru Saturday night. See you there!

On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:45 PM, Rick Hall <rickh@...> wrote:

Here's what I know, or don't know. Take it for what it's worth.

I plan on flying my Cozy there, camping under my wing. Flying from Colorado has issues this time of year (cold, snow, mountains, ...), Thurs to Sunday. I generally fly with adult beverages for me, other requests considered.

Campground host flies a canard, BONUS!!!!

Gary Hertzler is featured speaker at composite forum and workshop. Your (my) assistance will be appreciated.

If flying in, anticipate taxi over watered down loose gravel to camp spot. If driving in, plan on dirt. Related, the ground is like concrete, bring sturdy tie down stakes if air camping.

Showers available and no/low cost, but take note of normal outside air temps for your walk to showers. It's cold, even for this Colorado boy.

Food available at vendors during airshow. Anticipate circus food, reasonably good circus food.

Rick

On 1/27/2020 11:00 PM, Rich Schleicher wrote:
Is there going to be a canard gathering at Cooper State this year? I am planning to go weather permitting for the 1st time and would like to know what to expect for those that have been in years past and what others are doing for accommodations. I am planning to camp Friday and Saturday night. I did not see any canard specific forums but hope to see Gary Hertzler, Marc Z, and other familiar faces.




Re: Cooper State Flyin

Rick Hall
 

Here's what I know, or don't know. Take it for what it's worth.

I plan on flying my Cozy there, camping under my wing. Flying from Colorado has issues this time of year (cold, snow, mountains, ...), Thurs to Sunday. I generally fly with adult beverages for me, other requests considered.

Campground host flies a canard, BONUS!!!!

Gary Hertzler is featured speaker at composite forum and workshop. Your (my) assistance will be appreciated.

If flying in, anticipate taxi over watered down loose gravel to camp spot. If driving in, plan on dirt. Related, the ground is like concrete, bring sturdy tie down stakes if air camping.

Showers available and no/low cost, but take note of normal outside air temps for your walk to showers. It's cold, even for this Colorado boy.

Food available at vendors during airshow. Anticipate circus food, reasonably good circus food.

Rick

On 1/27/2020 11:00 PM, Rich Schleicher wrote:
Is there going to be a canard gathering at Cooper State this year? I am planning to go weather permitting for the 1st time and would like to know what to expect for those that have been in years past and what others are doing for accommodations. I am planning to camp Friday and Saturday night. I did not see any canard specific forums but hope to see Gary Hertzler, Marc Z, and other familiar faces.

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