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Cooling - Marlon

kent ashton
 


Begin forwarded message:


I've got no pictures and little information relevant to the oil leak; just that a little oil that gathers at the lip of the NACA intake scoop after a day of post flight kneeling.

Seems like people have good success finding those leaks by washing the engine, using some oil-dye from the auto stores, run it a bit and look around with a UV light.

It sounds like you have the cooling fixed except for #4.  Maybe you have an intake leak on #4 that is causing lean running.   You might show a picture of the baffles around #4.

It appears that the upper-cowl exits you added have given you the pressure differential you need but for a general check on cooling flow through the cylinders, I suggest making some piccolo tubes paired with a water or digital manometer and measure the pressure differential just above and below the cylinders.    Lycoming says you need about 5.5” of differential to get adequate cooling.  See various discussions here  https://www.canardzone.com/search/?q=piccolo&quick=1&type=forums_topic&item=18661

Curious about the ramps you show below.  I am guessing you widened the initial ramps you had but built them off the floor of the cowl?  Does the airflow enter duct and get ducted up to #3 and #4?  I that would be more restrictive than a plain curved ramp pointing up to point at #4.  The duct(?) for #4 looks smaller and air will not want to pass through a duct if it can go around the duct. I think you were on the right track to widen the ramps but question how you did it.   I would like to see more pics of that setup from the inlet direction. Also  I don’t quite understand what the other small baffles do.  
 

5.) Having seen this on a number of canards and hearing some swear by it, I added cooling air exit vents to the cowling top.  I was saving this mod until all else had failed since it seemed draconian, but I was out of ideas.

This modification provided the single greatest positive impact on my cooling of anything I tried to date.  With this, I now have 3 cylinders that have perfectly acceptable temps even on warm days.  But cyl #4 will still keep climbing above 435 and won't stabilize until I reduce power on a warm day.

Yeah, I have found exits like this to be very helpful (on a downdraft engine).  https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/18661-kents-long-ez-project/?do=findComment&comment=66677   Also the normal cowl exit you showed looked rather constricted.  Frankly, I think your exit square inches are not as big as your inlet square inches.  I do not have much expectation in air exiting around the prop hub.  My theory is that there is too much obstruction at the hub and the flow exits mostly at the sides of the cowl opening (which looked a bit restricted in your picture) and at your upper cowl exits, which are still rather small compared to inlet area.  I would speculate that maybe the sheet metal you added (below) is causing turbulence and restriction that is not helping the air from #4 to smoothly enter the starboard exit.   Hard to say

6.) I added a cooling exit air diverter that gives cyl#4 greater access to the cooling exit vent. This was an easier change to do than moving the exit vent further forward to primarily cool the front cylinder and was really more of a test to see if maybe I should move the vent forward.



Much to my disappointment this didn't seem to have much affect on cooling for cyl#4.

Those metal edges and corners (above) would not appear to promote good organized flow going into the exit.   
  
At which point I started spending way too much time looking at Bonanza's on Barnstormers.

Noooooo!    :-)

My current thoughts are: 
1-maybe I have thermocouple wires for cylinders 3 and 4 swapped to the EMS so it's really cyl#3 that I need to work on, and that improvement for cyl#4 is reported on cyl#3 which is already good enough that I might not notice much improvement there.  This should be easy enough to test and will be what I look at next.

Good idea.

2- I can increase the cooling ramp width for cylinder 4.

Yup, the ramps look a little narrow to me (see markup below).  There is usually no problem getting flow back to #1 & 2.  The incoming air is heavy and wants to pile up against the aft baffles.  The problem is to grab some of it and make it go up to #3 & 4

3- Push comes to shove I can do what Vance did and add an adjustable inlet lip that can deflect downward to scoop more air when greater cooling is required.

I don’t think that’s necessary.  I think I would try the piccolo measurement and bigger ramps.  Look for an intake leak too.  Good luck   -Kent


Commemoration of VJ, Victory over Japan, Day

Mike Tooze
 


I have my interest in aviation to thank my dad, a great enthusiast. I showed my dad the Vari Eze plans/schedule. He had been in the Royal Air Force during the war posted to the East, India. Out there he caught malaria which greatly weakened him such that sadly he didn’t make it to see my/our Vari Eze fly.


In the UK they celebrate 8th May, VE Day, Victory in Europe as the end of WW2. But Dad didn’t even get home till well after that date. Returning after – VJ Day, Victory over Japan, being 14th August. Mum never celebrated VE day.


There is a partition in the UK to commemorate VJ Day as the true end of WW2 and to move the 30th August holiday to 14th August to mark that event.


If you are a Brit with a UK postcode please go through the sign-up process followed in this link.


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?q=VJ+Day&state=open


Apologies if this is not relevant to you, but I’m sure that many in the US will agree the sentiment.

Many thanks,


Mike Tooze

O-235 VE G-EMMY



Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Marlon Gunderson
 

Thanks for the advice and your best wishes Dale.

Frugality may be just as much or more of a foil for me than my ego. My father operated a small dairy farm decades longer than should have been financially viable by procreating a labor supply of 11 children (a less extreme version of this still works for the Amish). So I grew up poor and having to make broken things work, hence it is not my habit to find and pay someone else to solve my problems. Having worked my way into and through a Stanford engineering program, my ego might also be a hindrance as you suggest.

Kent,
I've got no pictures and little information relevant to the oil leak; just that a little oil that gathers at the lip of the NACA intake scoop after a day of post flight kneeling.  I have tightened the oil return line thumb screw clamps and did note perhaps a bit more oil on one of the return line fittings at the cyl#1 exit that I'll check again next time the cowl comes off.

I'll share some photos here for the cooling issue and will be interested to see what kind of suggestions result.

Here's where I started with cooling diverters in the lower cowl (this shows construction in process, I don't have a good pic of the finished ramps with just these two installed):

Cooling was not good, and a little worse for the rear cylinders (1&2) than the front.  I felt I had a good seal with the baffling, but the NACA inlet was per original plans coming to a shallow point at the front.
Modifications I have done since are:

1.) Added a pair of vortex generators ahead of the cooling NACA inlet.  This helped a bit and allowed me to fly most of the first season if I limited my power to ~2250 RPM after reaching pattern altitude to keep CHT stabilized below 435F. I could climb slowly to get above pattern altitude.  It was of course less pronounced with cooler weather in the fall.

2.) Removed the vortex generators and changed the NACA inlet point to start with a 1.75" wide ramp that begins flush with the fuselage bottom as recommended by most folks and specifically by Terry Schubert.  This to my disappointment and against all expectations seemed to actually be a step backwards in cooling for me.

3.)  Added a ramped air dam in the lower cowl to better direct air at the rear cylinders.  This improved the cooling for the rear cylinders and didn't seem to come at the expense of front cylinder cooling.


At the same time I also reduced the height of the upper cowling rear stiffener in case it was blocking the air exit.

Cooling for the front cylinders and particularly #4 still wasn't adequate. 

4.) On the advise of many, I installed diffusers on top of the front cylinder ramps so instead of a 90 degree discontinuity on the ceiling of the NACA ramp at the firewall, the ceiling of the inlet was continuous and curved up.
 
Again to my disappointment this didn't seem to have any notable affect in cooling for me.

5.) Having seen this on a number of canards and hearing some swear by it, I added cooling air exit vents to the cowling top.  I was saving this mod until all else had failed since it seemed draconian, but I was out of ideas.

This modification provided the single greatest positive impact on my cooling of anything I tried to date.  With this, I now have 3 cylinders that have perfectly acceptable temps even on warm days.  But cyl #4 will still keep climbing above 435 and won't stabilize until I reduce power on a warm day.

6.) I added a cooling exit air diverter that gives cyl#4 greater access to the cooling exit vent. This was an easier change to do than moving the exit vent further forward to primarily cool the front cylinder and was really more of a test to see if maybe I should move the vent forward.



Much to my disappointment this didn't seem to have much affect on cooling for cyl#4.  
At which point I started spending way too much time looking at Bonanza's on Barnstormers.

My current thoughts are: 
1-maybe I have thermocouple wires for cylinders 3 and 4 swapped to the EMS so it's really cyl#3 that I need to work on, and that improvement for cyl#4 is reported on cyl#3 which is already good enough that I might not notice much improvement there.  This should be easy enough to test and will be what I look at next.

2- I can increase the cooling ramp width for cylinder 4.

3- Push comes to shove I can do what Vance did and add an adjustable inlet lip that can deflect downward to scoop more air when greater cooling is required.

Fire away.

Thanks,
Marlon


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Greg Norman
 

Ryz,
You got it spot on. Historically (from my history) I see these planes sold by next of kin wanting a quick sale to buy a vette with no interest in flying. I see it every day in Real Estate and assets.  or fellas' one step closer to the grave wanting to cash out to buy a nice retirement condo. Total disregard to the dedication, craft, years of sacrifice on top of $40-50k in materisls. Any idiot can do the math. They are worth way more. And personally speaking, way better than friggin' spam can. What you going to buy for the same price? A Stinson? Get you head ouf of you know where.

Greg Norman

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 9:39 PM Ryszard Zadow <ryszardzadow@...> wrote:
< Legal liability—think about it:>

If that was the case why are other amateur built experimentals of similar classes getting double or triple the prices I see EZs go for?

Ask David Orr, home builder and retired product liability attorney, how much real liability you have for building your airplane.

This topic has been debated before, long time ago. The search function can help you find all that and when you do you’ll find my explanation of how Dick Ward, tired of seeing the airplanes he was a fan of  being given away single-handedly change their  market value simply by persistently asking people to ask more. It worked, but for some reason in the EZ world there’s a small group of nay-sayers  who do things like attack and disparage anyone who attempts to ask what they really think their airplane is worth. Jamie Hicks comes to mind. He still got $48k for his Varieze despite the barrage of grief he got on this very forum. When Dave Schultz put his LongEz up for sale at $115k you’d thought he was the devil himself! 

I have no idea why some people have to do this. My theory is much like those that "hate the rich". Everyone wants to be rich but if they aren't all they seem to want to do is hate those that are.. Some form of "penis envy "I guess but I wouldn't know about that, never that problem lol!  I'm just a Pilot not a Psychologist. 

Last week I put a a new LongEZ owner through RAFE"s Canard Transition Training Program. He did a great job and I look forward to seeing him around our events with his new Long. He bought Shannon Stewarts LongEZ, a really well built airplane. I won't say what he paid for it but I can tell you  it would make a lot of the critics on here faint. Not quite what Dave Shultz wanted but more than Jamie got. I told him he got a bargain,. An RV of that quality would be close to 100K. So should ours. 

Thank you Terry Bartley for chiming in and supporting what I've been saying for years. Stop giving these airplanes away. 

Whatever you think it might be worth, double it. You can always go down, but it's really hard to go up on price once you put it out there at give away prices. Sure there's a chance you won't get that, but there's a 100% chance you won't get it if you don't ask. 

Caveat Emptor and see y'all at Rough River! 

Ryszard 

 
> On Aug 3, 2020, at 12:38, kent ashton <kjashton@...> wrote:
>
> Legal liability—think about it:


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Keith Spreuer
 

Yep except the pot holes are gone


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 3:44 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Air Nav remarks

Additional Remarks

FULL STOP LNDGS ONLY; INTXN TKOFS PROHIBITED.
LANDING FEE.
RWY 4-22 NON-STD RWY SAFETY AREAS.
FOR CD CTC SOCAL APCH AT 800-448-3724.
ARPT CLSD FOR ALL OPS OTHER THAN DRG PUBLD ATNDNC SKED HRS EXC FOR EMERG.
PILOTS CANNOT SEE ACFT ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF RWY DUE TO GRADIENT, MUST ANNC TAKING ACT RWY ON UNICOM PRIOR TO DEP
SFC ROUGH WITH NMRS POTHOLES & SOFT SPOTS.
RWY 04/22 LTD BY ARPT OPR TO 12,500 LBS GWT.
RWY 04 FINAL 2,300 FT STEEP 2.1% DOWNSLOPE; RWY 22 UPSLOPE PREFERRED LANDING.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

The runway is OK. It is not as smooth as most mainland  runways but only annoying rather than damaging. Catalina has a couple quirks. One is that it has a high middle so you can not see one end when at the other end. People often use runway 22 even with a slight down wind and at the same time people may use 7. This can lead to a very unpleasant surprise. The other quirk is that the  runway is on a hill top. So the approach for 22 (and somewhat for 7) is toward a steep hill side. This gives an unusual perception of being too high on final. Added to that is if the wind is down the runway then the air is sinking on short final. This is why most flying clubs require a check out flight with an instructor. I don't think that is necessary but awareness is recommended..
keith

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Torger Totusek via groups.io <regrot=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Ryszard Zadow
 

< Legal liability—think about it:>

If that was the case why are other amateur built experimentals of similar classes getting double or triple the prices I see EZs go for?

Ask David Orr, home builder and retired product liability attorney, how much real liability you have for building your airplane.

This topic has been debated before, long time ago. The search function can help you find all that and when you do you’ll find my explanation of how Dick Ward, tired of seeing the airplanes he was a fan of  being given away single-handedly change their  market value simply by persistently asking people to ask more. It worked, but for some reason in the EZ world there’s a small group of nay-sayers  who do things like attack and disparage anyone who attempts to ask what they really think their airplane is worth. Jamie Hicks comes to mind. He still got $48k for his Varieze despite the barrage of grief he got on this very forum. When Dave Schultz put his LongEz up for sale at $115k you’d thought he was the devil himself! 

I have no idea why some people have to do this. My theory is much like those that "hate the rich". Everyone wants to be rich but if they aren't all they seem to want to do is hate those that are.. Some form of "penis envy "I guess but I wouldn't know about that, never that problem lol!  I'm just a Pilot not a Psychologist. 

Last week I put a a new LongEZ owner through RAFE"s Canard Transition Training Program. He did a great job and I look forward to seeing him around our events with his new Long. He bought Shannon Stewarts LongEZ, a really well built airplane. I won't say what he paid for it but I can tell you  it would make a lot of the critics on here faint. Not quite what Dave Shultz wanted but more than Jamie got. I told him he got a bargain,. An RV of that quality would be close to 100K. So should ours. 

Thank you Terry Bartley for chiming in and supporting what I've been saying for years. Stop giving these airplanes away. 

Whatever you think it might be worth, double it. You can always go down, but it's really hard to go up on price once you put it out there at give away prices. Sure there's a chance you won't get that, but there's a 100% chance you won't get it if you don't ask. 

Caveat Emptor and see y'all at Rough River! 

Ryszard 

 
> On Aug 3, 2020, at 12:38, kent ashton <kjashton@...> wrote:
>
> Legal liability—think about it:


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Tom Smith <trcsmith@...>
 

Air Nav remarks

Additional Remarks

- FULL STOP LNDGS ONLY; INTXN TKOFS PROHIBITED. - LANDING FEE. - RWY 4-22 NON-STD RWY SAFETY AREAS. - FOR CD CTC SOCAL APCH AT 800-448-3724. - ARPT CLSD FOR ALL OPS OTHER THAN DRG PUBLD ATNDNC SKED HRS EXC FOR EMERG. - PILOTS CANNOT SEE ACFT ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF RWY DUE TO GRADIENT, MUST ANNC TAKING ACT RWY ON UNICOM PRIOR TO DEP - SFC ROUGH WITH NMRS POTHOLES & SOFT SPOTS. - RWY 04/22 LTD BY ARPT OPR TO 12,500 LBS GWT. - RWY 04 FINAL 2,300 FT STEEP 2.1% DOWNSLOPE; RWY 22 UPSLOPE PREFERRED LANDING.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

The runway is OK. It is not as smooth as most mainland  runways but only annoying rather than damaging. Catalina has a couple quirks. One is that it has a high middle so you can not see one end when at the other end. People often use runway 22 even with a slight down wind and at the same time people may use 7. This can lead to a very unpleasant surprise. The other quirk is that the  runway is on a hill top. So the approach for 22 (and somewhat for 7) is toward a steep hill side. This gives an unusual perception of being too high on final. Added to that is if the wind is down the runway then the air is sinking on short final. This is why most flying clubs require a check out flight with an instructor. I don't think that is necessary but awareness is recommended..
keith

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Torger Totusek via groups.io <regrot=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

David A Froble
 

On 8/3/2020 12:56 PM, Marlon Gunderson wrote:


With the Cozy 3 I'll never be able to do a long
flight with 3, but it will suffice for cross countries with two, and 80%
of my flying will continue to be solo anyway. 13gph would really sap
the fun out of my solo flights.
This puzzles me.

Yes, there can be some times when the destination is most important. But for me, there is the "joy of flying" that is rather important, and if not time critical, why not make frequent stops for fuel? You'd see more things up close that way.

Of course, when I'm flying that 40 MPH toy, I consider 10 miles a long trip. Getting old I guess.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

David A Froble
 

On 8/3/2020 11:10 AM, Terrence Bartley wrote:
What is the cost of a production airplane that goes this fast? Try that
for a comparison of price. I’ve never understood why builders want to
give these airplanes away at such low prices.
Value at times is based upon how much someone wants to purchase, and how much someone wants to sell.

Part of that is based upon the number of interested buyers. You have to be aware that many pilots look at an EZ and think unkind thoughts. If it ain't got the engine in the front, if can't be any good. Not sure what they think about something like an F-15. Probably don't think of it at all.

There can also be some prejudice against non-certificated aircraft with some people.

So with a small number of potential purchasers, and a bunch of geezers thinking of selling, it can get rough.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Bob Holliston
 

Catalina airport - Googling info is interesting. There's been 59 documented crashes there. A Learjet landed long (touchdown 527' past the numbers) on the 3,000' runway and went off the cliff at the end killing all six on board. A Piper Saratoga went off the cliff also, ending up 600' below and all three on board survived with injuries. Klaus told me about flying out there years ago. He said that there was a line of sailboats going to and coming from the island. He also said all those masts made a perfect slalom course. 


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:48 PM Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...> wrote:
The runway is OK. It is not as smooth as most mainland  runways but only annoying rather than damaging. Catalina has a couple quirks. One is that it has a high middle so you can not see one end when at the other end. People often use runway 22 even with a slight down wind and at the same time people may use 7. This can lead to a very unpleasant surprise. The other quirk is that the  runway is on a hill top. So the approach for 22 (and somewhat for 7) is toward a steep hill side. This gives an unusual perception of being too high on final. Added to that is if the wind is down the runway then the air is sinking on short final. This is why most flying clubs require a check out flight with an instructor. I don't think that is necessary but awareness is recommended..
keith

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Torger Totusek via groups.io <regrot=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



--


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Keith Spreuer
 

The runway is OK. It is not as smooth as most mainland  runways but only annoying rather than damaging. Catalina has a couple quirks. One is that it has a high middle so you can not see one end when at the other end. People often use runway 22 even with a slight down wind and at the same time people may use 7. This can lead to a very unpleasant surprise. The other quirk is that the  runway is on a hill top. So the approach for 22 (and somewhat for 7) is toward a steep hill side. This gives an unusual perception of being too high on final. Added to that is if the wind is down the runway then the air is sinking on short final. This is why most flying clubs require a check out flight with an instructor. I don't think that is necessary but awareness is recommended..
keith

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Torger Totusek via groups.io <regrot=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Douglas Olson
 

I was out there last November.  The runway is much better in terms of surface condition without the potholes and such that were there previously.  There are some perpendicular seams from pouring the concrete in sections but no big deal.  If you are used to flying there previously the sight picture is a little different now.  The runway is a light grey concrete color versus black and it's also a little narrower I believe.  Overall though a big improvement over the old one.

Hope that helps.

Doug Olson
N818KD Long-EZrg

On Monday, August 3, 2020, 01:27:20 PM MST, Torger Totusek via groups.io <regrot@...> wrote:


Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith@...>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Torger Totusek
 

Hi Tom and others,

I would ask a more important question.. What is the runway like at Avalon? Who has been over there since the Marines came in and reworked/resurfaced the runway? I don't go over there with my Long-EZ because of the potential of losing my nose gear. It has been a while since I was there with a Cessna and I recall it was pretty rough. Hopefully someone will chime in and let us know what the condition of the runway is now.. Also if you have never flown into Avalon be careful. The hills slope up to the runway so there is no peripheral clues to height and it tapers downhill at the end. Be on speed, watch the winds/updrafts and use caution..

Anyone out there know???

Torger T
Long-EZ N606TT
Fullerton, CA 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith@...>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: GOING TO AVALON?

Tom Smith <trcsmith@...>
 

thank you


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] GOING TO AVALON?

$35 and yes the restaurant was open last I heard 2 weeks ago

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 6:58 PM Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What's the landing fee and is there lunch at the airport??

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

skovbjerg
 

Hmmmm... that in and by itself is a strange perspective.... why would “Experimental “ be a depreciating term? Considering that ALL product development and every aspect of top performance is rooted in “Experimental “....
Jay Skovbjerg 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 08:41, Spencer Boesch via groups.io <spencersouthbend@...> wrote:

I’d venture to question why anyone would build an experimantel plane, using experimental technics, and experimental materials, and then expect to get certified aircraft pricing...




On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:26 AM, S Remerez via groups.io <sremerez@...> wrote:


The problem with our canard airplanes is there is too much variability in builder design and manufacturing.  This is perceived as "dangerous" and supply chain availability.  Many people would rather flying slower, knowing there is an A&P at their landing spot to fix a known design with easy to get parts, even if they cost a bundle.  I often compare this to an airline pilot that lands and walks away from the airplane, knowing someone else is going to maintain it.  If he were flying an experimental and especially composite airplanes, he would have to stay with the airplane to make sure it gets fixed.

Simon



August 3, 2020 5:10:41 PM CEST Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:

What is the cost of a production airplane that goes this fast?  Try that for a comparison of price.  I’ve never understood why builders want to give these airplanes away at such low prices.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aziz Musa via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:40 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Can you guys enlighten us how you decide the worth of anything especially a composite home built Airplane without even seeing it?



On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Ryszard Zadow <ryszardzadow@...> wrote:



ditto



On Aug 2, 2020, at 16:27, Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:



That airplane should be worth a lot more than $30k.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marlon Gunderson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 4:17 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Hi Eric, I've pulled the ad. Got cold feet on the idea.  Thanks anyway.

Marlon

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:52 AM Eric Del via groups.io <zoom2136=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Marlon, send me an email I may have a buyer for you.


Eric D.

Cozy III / C-GEDZ

 

On Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:44 AM, Marlon Gunderson <sondergun@...> wrote:

2017 Cozy 3  $30K

 

AFTT will cross 100 hrs next week

I can deliver in the lower 48 for return fare

 

Unfortunately this AC doesn't work for flying my family, due more to my dimensions and my passengers' agility than to the Cozy, although honestly the Cozy 3 is really is better suited to early 20th century sized people (like Nat Puffer).

It's great for me solo (I'm 6', 210 lbs.), but I need a comfortable alternative to commercial flying for my family of 3 particularly during Covid, so I'm looking to get a fast flying station wagon, maybe a Bonanza, and I can't have a 3rd aircraft.

 

I am only advertising on the Cozy and Canard forums, and the price is reflective of the fact that this is a flying project and I'm going to need a buyer who is capable of working on the airplane and is willing to contractually indemnify me of liability.  

The biggest squawks are: I still don't have adequate cooling on cyl #4, it has a nuisance oil leak that I haven't been able to find, cabin heat is anemic, and I haven't installed wheel pants yet.

 

Pix, POH, Build Logs, and info are available at:

 

Text from the 'Readme' in the dropbox folder above is copied below.

 

Thanks for your consideration,

 

Marlon Gunderson

Lake Elmo, MN

 

Cozy III N129GR

Builders:

First 95%: Gary Riedel 1986-1994 (A&P, IA, career mechanic at Bassler@OSH and NWA@MSP)

Last 5%:   Marlon Gunderson 2013-2017

29 April 2017 FAA Special Airworthiness Certificate granted

 

AFTT ~100hrs

Engine: Lycoming O-320-E2D 890 SMOH, 2790 TT (from a Skyhawk via Wentworth AC) all cyl's mid-70s.

New at AF completion:

   1 Slick 4370 Mag, 1 Lightspeed Plasma III Electronic Ign,

   Fuel pump, Oil Pump,

   Carburetor Marvel-Schebler MA-SPA4 10-5009

   Hertzler Silver Bullet prop

E.W. 998 lbs

G.W. 1600 lbs

Fuel cap: 50gal

GU canard

 

Avionics

Garmin G5 PFD (non-TSO version)

Garmin GMU-11 digital magnetometer & GAD-29 connector for future gps/nav interface

Garmin GFC 500 (non-TSO equivalent) 2 axis Autopilot System (GSA-28 roll and pitch servos, GMC-507 controller)

Garmin Aera 660 (panel cradle mounted portable GPS) terrain, synthetic vision, autopilot control output

King KT76A Mode C Transponder

ADSB uAvionics Echo w/SkyFly WAAS GPS

    'In' Traffic and Wx displayed over FAA sectional maps on 8” RAM mount tablet via WIFI

EMS MGL Xtreme

   Tachometer, Fuel Flow,

   4x CHT, 4x EGT,

   OAT, Carb Temp, Firewall Temp,

   Manifold Pressure, Battery Voltage

Discrete gauges:

   Oil Temp, Oil Pressure,

   Fuel Pressure, Ammeter

   ASI, Altimeter, Magnetic compass

COM1 Becker AR4201

COM2 Valcom 760

Audio Panel PS Eng. PMA 4000

3ea Headset jacks + Aux. Input jack for music, podcasts

 

Sam James wheel pants purchased, not yet installed.

Write-up of panel upgrade last winter in this local EAA Chapter newsletter.

 



--Sent from Mailfence.com - Secure encrypted email


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Dale Martin
 

Marlon,
 Good Afternoon.  I have been watching the bantor of you post and wish to extend some of my knowledge of the last 40 years. 
I currently have 6 owners with canard aircraft I support.  The reason they want to use me as their go to guy is that they have some interest in maintaining their aircraft and like you want a capable and dependable aircraft.  We have made an agreement that I put the aircraft in great condition without any issues and they neer let anyone else work on it unless I am directing it and that goes for them working on it as well.
I will make it clear I no longer have the time to care or refurbish any other aircraft but I still want to pass to you some knowledge that should be useful as you go forward. 
The first item is a little bit of ego shrinking on the part of the owner to admit he needs help to make his or her aircraft trouble free so it will be like my clients airplanes... They literally only need to maintain the oil and fuel level and ensure they have enough air in the tires and there are no pools of fluid at each main gear before each flight.
They sought me out and I made sure the aircraft performed as it should with no leaks, no overheating and insured all the mistakes made by the previous builder and owners were corrected.  Some corrections took months to get rid of the problems but they each consider it worth the cost for having a canard airplane you can just get in and go.

There has to be someone with many years of EZ experience that could assist you in making this happen for you. 
One thing:  If or when you should get your airplane in this kind of shape the resale value is higher and it is EZ to sell. 
It also gives you the ability to be "more about the family or your business" rather than the maintenance guy for Cozy NXXX.

I really don't like working on the COZY 3 because of the hassle of working in the back seat area but they are a pretty good airplane if setup properly. 
I hope this is something that you're able to do.  Also, if you find "a guy" for your plane have him get those wheel pants on there.  They make a world of difference in climb and cruise speeds plus the elevator will ride higher because there is no longer any drag count below the wings.  Also, listen to him if he as many hours of flying canard aircraft, he can teach you things!

Regards and Best of Luck,

Dale
For Contact info - See Website
http://www.long-ez.com
=====================>


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Marlon Gunderson <sondergun@...> wrote:
As I've mentioned, I pulled the ad after a change of heart on trading up to a Bonanza.
I was getting frustrated with still not having the cooling or oil leak solved in my fourth season of flying.
After going for a really enjoyable flight on Sunday morning and considering the doubling or tripling of my costs to operate a Bonanza, and the legal liability that I can't eliminate from selling an airplane that I built, I decided I just need to push through to get my remaining squawks worked out.  With the Cozy 3 I'll never be able to do a long flight with 3, but it will suffice for cross countries with two, and 80% of my flying will continue to be solo anyway.  13gph would really sap the fun out of my solo flights.

I chose a low price that was reflective of squawks to be addressed by the buyer and to motivate the explicit transfer of operational liability to the new owner, both of which I believe would effectively limit my market to canard repairmen or A&Ps.  It was also roughly what I have invested in it, which is low because I took a risk on buying a 20 year old project, a calculated risk that I think has paid off.


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

kent ashton
 

Legal liability—think about it:  First the buyers of Experimental airplanes are generally people who accept the (small) risks.   Full disclosure of aircraft condition, the fact that it is a non-certificated airplane built by an amateur out of non-TSO’d parts and maintained by an amateur are all good defenses.   Then if the buyer works on the airplane he leaves himself open to blame for his own screwups    Lawyers realize it will be an uphill climb to prove you deceived the buyer about a homebuilt airplane and  disprove your contention that the buyer’s lack of skill or poor maintenance was not the cause of his own  injury.   And there being no rich engine or vacuum pump Manufacturer insurance millions to collect, the lawyer will refuse to waste his time.   This is why worrying about sellers liability is equivalent to worrying about being killed by a meteor strike.

Cooling and oil leak problems can be solved if you post some pics and info.
-kent
Sold two exp airplanes and sleep well


On Aug 3, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Marlon Gunderson <sondergun@...> wrote:

As I've mentioned, I pulled the ad after a change of heart on trading up to a Bonanza.
I was getting frustrated with still not having the cooling or oil leak solved in my fourth season of flying.
After going for a really enjoyable flight on Sunday morning and considering the doubling or tripling of my costs to operate a Bonanza, and the legal liability that I can't eliminate from selling an airplane that I built, I decided I just need to push through to get my remaining squawks worked out.  With the Cozy 3 I'll never be able to do a long flight with 3, but it will suffice for cross countries with two, and 80% of my flying will continue to be solo anyway.  13gph would really sap the fun out of my solo flights.

I chose a low price that was reflective of squawks to be addressed by the buyer and to motivate the explicit transfer of operational liability to the new owner, both of which I believe would effectively limit my market to canard repairmen or A&Ps.  It was also roughly what I have invested in it, which is low because I took a risk on buying a 20 year old project, a calculated risk that I think has paid off.


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Marlon Gunderson
 

As I've mentioned, I pulled the ad after a change of heart on trading up to a Bonanza.
I was getting frustrated with still not having the cooling or oil leak solved in my fourth season of flying.
After going for a really enjoyable flight on Sunday morning and considering the doubling or tripling of my costs to operate a Bonanza, and the legal liability that I can't eliminate from selling an airplane that I built, I decided I just need to push through to get my remaining squawks worked out.  With the Cozy 3 I'll never be able to do a long flight with 3, but it will suffice for cross countries with two, and 80% of my flying will continue to be solo anyway.  13gph would really sap the fun out of my solo flights.

I chose a low price that was reflective of squawks to be addressed by the buyer and to motivate the explicit transfer of operational liability to the new owner, both of which I believe would effectively limit my market to canard repairmen or A&Ps.  It was also roughly what I have invested in it, which is low because I took a risk on buying a 20 year old project, a calculated risk that I think has paid off.


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Terrence Bartley
 

I guess it requires critical thinking to go from asking $30k for a 200 mph canard to a 20 year old 200 mph certified Bonanza that you pay over $200,000 to buy.  I’m just saying we shouldn’t give these airplanes away.

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Spencer Boesch via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:39 AM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

I’d venture to question why anyone would build an experimantel plane, using experimental technics, and experimental materials, and then expect to get certified aircraft pricing...

 

 



On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:26 AM, S Remerez via groups.io <sremerez@...> wrote:



The problem with our canard airplanes is there is too much variability in builder design and manufacturing.  This is perceived as "dangerous" and supply chain availability.  Many people would rather flying slower, knowing there is an A&P at their landing spot to fix a known design with easy to get parts, even if they cost a bundle.  I often compare this to an airline pilot that lands and walks away from the airplane, knowing someone else is going to maintain it.  If he were flying an experimental and especially composite airplanes, he would have to stay with the airplane to make sure it gets fixed.

 

Simon

 

 

 

August 3, 2020 5:10:41 PM CEST Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:

What is the cost of a production airplane that goes this fast?  Try that for a comparison of price.  I’ve never understood why builders want to give these airplanes away at such low prices.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aziz Musa via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:40 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Can you guys enlighten us how you decide the worth of anything especially a composite home built Airplane without even seeing it?




On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Ryszard Zadow <ryszardzadow@...> wrote:



ditto




On Aug 2, 2020, at 16:27, Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:



That airplane should be worth a lot more than $30k.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marlon Gunderson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 4:17 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Hi Eric, I've pulled the ad. Got cold feet on the idea.  Thanks anyway.

Marlon

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:52 AM Eric Del via groups.io <zoom2136=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Marlon, send me an email I may have a buyer for you.



Eric D.

Cozy III / C-GEDZ

 

On Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:44 AM, Marlon Gunderson <sondergun@...> wrote:

2017 Cozy 3  $30K

 

AFTT will cross 100 hrs next week

I can deliver in the lower 48 for return fare

 

Unfortunately this AC doesn't work for flying my family, due more to my dimensions and my passengers' agility than to the Cozy, although honestly the Cozy 3 is really is better suited to early 20th century sized people (like Nat Puffer).

It's great for me solo (I'm 6', 210 lbs.), but I need a comfortable alternative to commercial flying for my family of 3 particularly during Covid, so I'm looking to get a fast flying station wagon, maybe a Bonanza, and I can't have a 3rd aircraft.

 

I am only advertising on the Cozy and Canard forums, and the price is reflective of the fact that this is a flying project and I'm going to need a buyer who is capable of working on the airplane and is willing to contractually indemnify me of liability.  

The biggest squawks are: I still don't have adequate cooling on cyl #4, it has a nuisance oil leak that I haven't been able to find, cabin heat is anemic, and I haven't installed wheel pants yet.

 

Pix, POH, Build Logs, and info are available at:

 

Text from the 'Readme' in the dropbox folder above is copied below.

 

Thanks for your consideration,

 

Marlon Gunderson

Lake Elmo, MN

 

Cozy III N129GR

Builders:

First 95%: Gary Riedel 1986-1994 (A&P, IA, career mechanic at Bassler@OSH and NWA@MSP)

Last 5%:   Marlon Gunderson 2013-2017

29 April 2017 FAA Special Airworthiness Certificate granted

 

AFTT ~100hrs

Engine: Lycoming O-320-E2D 890 SMOH, 2790 TT (from a Skyhawk via Wentworth AC) all cyl's mid-70s.

New at AF completion:

   1 Slick 4370 Mag, 1 Lightspeed Plasma III Electronic Ign,

   Fuel pump, Oil Pump,

   Carburetor Marvel-Schebler MA-SPA4 10-5009

   Hertzler Silver Bullet prop

E.W. 998 lbs

G.W. 1600 lbs

Fuel cap: 50gal

GU canard

 

Avionics

Garmin G5 PFD (non-TSO version)

Garmin GMU-11 digital magnetometer & GAD-29 connector for future gps/nav interface

Garmin GFC 500 (non-TSO equivalent) 2 axis Autopilot System (GSA-28 roll and pitch servos, GMC-507 controller)

Garmin Aera 660 (panel cradle mounted portable GPS) terrain, synthetic vision, autopilot control output

King KT76A Mode C Transponder

ADSB uAvionics Echo w/SkyFly WAAS GPS

    'In' Traffic and Wx displayed over FAA sectional maps on 8” RAM mount tablet via WIFI

EMS MGL Xtreme

   Tachometer, Fuel Flow,

   4x CHT, 4x EGT,

   OAT, Carb Temp, Firewall Temp,

   Manifold Pressure, Battery Voltage

Discrete gauges:

   Oil Temp, Oil Pressure,

   Fuel Pressure, Ammeter

   ASI, Altimeter, Magnetic compass

COM1 Becker AR4201

COM2 Valcom 760

Audio Panel PS Eng. PMA 4000

3ea Headset jacks + Aux. Input jack for music, podcasts

 

Sam James wheel pants purchased, not yet installed.

Write-up of panel upgrade last winter in this local EAA Chapter newsletter.

 

 

--Sent from Mailfence.com - Secure encrypted email


Re: COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

Spencer Boesch
 

I’d venture to question why anyone would build an experimantel plane, using experimental technics, and experimental materials, and then expect to get certified aircraft pricing...




On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:26 AM, S Remerez via groups.io <sremerez@...> wrote:


The problem with our canard airplanes is there is too much variability in builder design and manufacturing.  This is perceived as "dangerous" and supply chain availability.  Many people would rather flying slower, knowing there is an A&P at their landing spot to fix a known design with easy to get parts, even if they cost a bundle.  I often compare this to an airline pilot that lands and walks away from the airplane, knowing someone else is going to maintain it.  If he were flying an experimental and especially composite airplanes, he would have to stay with the airplane to make sure it gets fixed.

Simon



August 3, 2020 5:10:41 PM CEST Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:

What is the cost of a production airplane that goes this fast?  Try that for a comparison of price.  I’ve never understood why builders want to give these airplanes away at such low prices.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aziz Musa via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:40 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Can you guys enlighten us how you decide the worth of anything especially a composite home built Airplane without even seeing it?



On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Ryszard Zadow <ryszardzadow@...> wrote:



ditto



On Aug 2, 2020, at 16:27, Terrence Bartley <tbartley@...> wrote:



That airplane should be worth a lot more than $30k.

 

Terry

 

Terrence E. Bartley

2012 Teakwood Ln

Port Orange, FL 32128

443-463-6465

 

Long EZ N425KT

New Smyrna Beach Airport

EVB

New Smyrna Beach, FL

 

 

 

From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marlon Gunderson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 4:17 PM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] COZY: For sale or trade: Cozy 3

 

Hi Eric, I've pulled the ad. Got cold feet on the idea.  Thanks anyway.

Marlon

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:52 AM Eric Del via groups.io <zoom2136=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Marlon, send me an email I may have a buyer for you.


Eric D.

Cozy III / C-GEDZ

 

On Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:44 AM, Marlon Gunderson <sondergun@...> wrote:

2017 Cozy 3  $30K

 

AFTT will cross 100 hrs next week

I can deliver in the lower 48 for return fare

 

Unfortunately this AC doesn't work for flying my family, due more to my dimensions and my passengers' agility than to the Cozy, although honestly the Cozy 3 is really is better suited to early 20th century sized people (like Nat Puffer).

It's great for me solo (I'm 6', 210 lbs.), but I need a comfortable alternative to commercial flying for my family of 3 particularly during Covid, so I'm looking to get a fast flying station wagon, maybe a Bonanza, and I can't have a 3rd aircraft.

 

I am only advertising on the Cozy and Canard forums, and the price is reflective of the fact that this is a flying project and I'm going to need a buyer who is capable of working on the airplane and is willing to contractually indemnify me of liability.  

The biggest squawks are: I still don't have adequate cooling on cyl #4, it has a nuisance oil leak that I haven't been able to find, cabin heat is anemic, and I haven't installed wheel pants yet.

 

Pix, POH, Build Logs, and info are available at:

 

Text from the 'Readme' in the dropbox folder above is copied below.

 

Thanks for your consideration,

 

Marlon Gunderson

Lake Elmo, MN

 

Cozy III N129GR

Builders:

First 95%: Gary Riedel 1986-1994 (A&P, IA, career mechanic at Bassler@OSH and NWA@MSP)

Last 5%:   Marlon Gunderson 2013-2017

29 April 2017 FAA Special Airworthiness Certificate granted

 

AFTT ~100hrs

Engine: Lycoming O-320-E2D 890 SMOH, 2790 TT (from a Skyhawk via Wentworth AC) all cyl's mid-70s.

New at AF completion:

   1 Slick 4370 Mag, 1 Lightspeed Plasma III Electronic Ign,

   Fuel pump, Oil Pump,

   Carburetor Marvel-Schebler MA-SPA4 10-5009

   Hertzler Silver Bullet prop

E.W. 998 lbs

G.W. 1600 lbs

Fuel cap: 50gal

GU canard

 

Avionics

Garmin G5 PFD (non-TSO version)

Garmin GMU-11 digital magnetometer & GAD-29 connector for future gps/nav interface

Garmin GFC 500 (non-TSO equivalent) 2 axis Autopilot System (GSA-28 roll and pitch servos, GMC-507 controller)

Garmin Aera 660 (panel cradle mounted portable GPS) terrain, synthetic vision, autopilot control output

King KT76A Mode C Transponder

ADSB uAvionics Echo w/SkyFly WAAS GPS

    'In' Traffic and Wx displayed over FAA sectional maps on 8” RAM mount tablet via WIFI

EMS MGL Xtreme

   Tachometer, Fuel Flow,

   4x CHT, 4x EGT,

   OAT, Carb Temp, Firewall Temp,

   Manifold Pressure, Battery Voltage

Discrete gauges:

   Oil Temp, Oil Pressure,

   Fuel Pressure, Ammeter

   ASI, Altimeter, Magnetic compass

COM1 Becker AR4201

COM2 Valcom 760

Audio Panel PS Eng. PMA 4000

3ea Headset jacks + Aux. Input jack for music, podcasts

 

Sam James wheel pants purchased, not yet installed.

Write-up of panel upgrade last winter in this local EAA Chapter newsletter.

 



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