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delamination repair

punkertfc <mr.jadkowski@...>
 

I have two small (1" x 1") delaminations ahead of my canopy, that I'd like to repair using the injection method. Almost all of the references I've found for that type of repair are for boats, can anyone point me towards some aircraft-specific information? From what I've gathered, it's a matter of drilling holes near the edges of the delamination, and injecting epoxy from one side until it's exiting from the opposite side, then applying pressure to join the delaminated plys until the repair is cured. Is there anything else I should know about this? Any tricks you can enlighten me with? I'd like to do as little damage to my paint job as possible.

Alek


Please explain how we got here

FlyingTiger <flyingtiger05@...>
 

Hi Phil,

Many of my chapters members are very interested in what is going on with our EAA leadership and you did a good job of pointing out the goals of "Members4Members". However, could you please give as brief as possible an explanation as to how it got to this? I have given them a little explanation from what I have observed but I don't have any kind of "insiders" look at just what happened to spark this drive.

Tim LoDolce
President
Truckee Tahoe EAA1073
VEZE N26FM aka Race62 builder




Canard in sprint commercial?

Richard Hughes
 

I was watching FOX this morning ans out of the corner of my eye saw a Sprint commercial.

I think I saw a canard landing in the background.


Re: EAA Membership Vote

 

Phil(& Jerry)-
Great recap and explanation.
So this update will be printed in the Magazine?
  '-)
-Christian

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jerry Hansen <jerry-hansen@...> wrote:
 

Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------

My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.

1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.


One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:

 

SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.


In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:

MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.


This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.

1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

http://members4members.blogspot.com


2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/m4m/


3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/members4members


4) We have setup a twitter account:

@Members4Members


5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:

http://www.members4members.org

 

Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting

Reply with quote

From Tim Lewis:


 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport



Re: EAA Membership Vote

Dale Rogers
 

FWIW, when this sort of situation occurred with the National Rifle Association in the late 70's, it took several years for the members to replace enough board members to regain control of the organization.  Don't expect a quick fix.

Dale_R
COZY MkIV #0497


On 8/13/2012 10:42 AM, FlyingTiger wrote:
 

 
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting Reply with
                          quote
From Tim Lewis:
 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 

This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FM
Truckee Tahoe Airport



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Re: TFR Software Check

Thomas Mann <tmann@...>
 

Wow .... it turns out the new anti-virus software was blocking the TFR data download.
Not the kind of protection I had in mind.


Re: No Pontoons

David A Froble
 

John just sent me a picture ... Enjoy ..


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Fw: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

FlyingTiger <flyingtiger05@...>
 


----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Harry Manvel
To: FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

Thanks Tim,
I will make it a point to call EAA and cancel the automatic thing, at least until we can get this under control.
HM


On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:46 PM, "FlyingTiger" <flyingtiger05@...> wrote:

Yes it does Harry. Best to print the proxy vote and send it to Phil for next years voting. We can make a difference!

Tim LoDolce
VEZE N26FM aka Race62
Truckee Tahoe


From: Harry Manvel <hmanvel@...>
To: Jerry Hansen <jerry-hansen@...>
Cc: FlyingTiger <flyingtiger05@...>; canard group <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

Thanks Jerry,

One thing I have been meaning to check on and have not yet;  I am set up on an automatic renewal of my EAA membership, they just send an email saying I'm good for another year.  I don't know if this automatically gives my proxy away.  Does anybody know? 

Harry Manvel
Defiant N2HM
PTK / Pontiac, MI


On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:12 PM, "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@...> wrote:

 
Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------
My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.
1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.

One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:
 
SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.

In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:
MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.

This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.
1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

4) We have setup a twitter account:
@Members4Members

5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:
 
Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil

 
From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote
 
 
 
 
 
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting
Reply with quote
From Tim Lewis:

 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport





Re: EAA Membership Vote

Webcave
 

That would be yes, otherwise you'd be getting a proxy release form from EAA or a proxy vote card.

JackM
veze


-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Manvel
To: Jerry Hansen
Cc: FlyingTiger ; canard group
Sent: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 
Thanks Jerry,

One thing I have been meaning to check on and have not yet;  I am set up on an automatic renewal of my EAA membership, they just send an email saying I'm good for another year.  I don't know if this automatically gives my proxy away.  Does anybody know? 

Harry Manvel
Defiant N2HM
PTK / Pontiac, MI


On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:12 PM, "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@...> wrote:

 
Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------
My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.
1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.

One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:
 
SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.

In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:
MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.

This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.
1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

4) We have setup a twitter account:
@Members4Members

5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:
 
Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil

 
From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote
 
 
 
 
 
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting
Reply with quote
From Tim Lewis:

 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport


Re: EAA Membership Vote

Jerry Hansen
 

I don’t know, Harry….

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of Harry Manvel
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:42 PM
To: Jerry Hansen
Cc: FlyingTiger; canard group
Subject: Re: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 

 

Thanks Jerry,

 

One thing I have been meaning to check on and have not yet;  I am set up on an automatic renewal of my EAA membership, they just send an email saying I'm good for another year.  I don't know if this automatically gives my proxy away.  Does anybody know? 

 

Harry Manvel

Defiant N2HM

PTK / Pontiac, MI



On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:12 PM, "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@...> wrote:

 

Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------

My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.

1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.


One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:

 

SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.


In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:

MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.


This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.

1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

http://members4members.blogspot.com


2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/m4m/


3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/members4members


4) We have setup a twitter account:

@Members4Members


5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:

http://www.members4members.org

 

Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil


 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting

Reply with quote

From Tim Lewis:


 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport


Re: EAA Membership Vote

 

Thanks Jerry,

One thing I have been meaning to check on and have not yet;  I am set up on an automatic renewal of my EAA membership, they just send an email saying I'm good for another year.  I don't know if this automatically gives my proxy away.  Does anybody know? 

Harry Manvel
Defiant N2HM
PTK / Pontiac, MI


On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:12 PM, "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@...> wrote:

 

Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------

My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.

1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.


One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:

 

SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.


In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:

MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.


This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.

1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

http://members4members.blogspot.com


2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/m4m/


3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/members4members


4) We have setup a twitter account:

@Members4Members


5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:

http://www.members4members.org

 

Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting

Reply with quote

From Tim Lewis:


 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport


Look Ma, No Pontoons [bcc][faked-from][mx]

David A Froble
 

That's nothing new. John Clark did it after flying under a bridge in Oklahoma in the early 1980s. His only problem was, it wasn't intentional ....

:-)

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
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Re: EAA Membership Vote

Jerry Hansen
 

Update from Phil:
-------------------------------------------------------

My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.  The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule.

For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open board of director positions.  For more than a month, a number of us reached out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member to represent them at the annual meeting.  For more than a month, the response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being blocked from having broad members participation.

The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote.  Clearly this isn't a practical option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people from the process.  The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower, Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.

Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy assignment to me.  He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at the meeting.  The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take a few days to finalize the election.  In just over 2 weeks of effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).

As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats.  There were 9 candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers).  Instead of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers.  Knowing that we didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the current leadership of EAA.  Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors.  This lack of transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially supportive or opposed to member rights.  During the election, the EAA voted to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were sent home.

During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive Committee).  Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here, what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting the way we are voting. 

As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.  I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to speculate either way.  It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.

The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful.  It was recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being released to the public.  In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20 people and those were typically family members of each candidate.  This year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience.  Thank you!

There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes.  The speakers did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about the them was their diversity.  I spoke on member rights and direct election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community, AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders, etc.  It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other.  The profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly formed proxy effort.

As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA’s words compared to their actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put their payload on target.

Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the movement under the name Members 4 Members.  Since we're only a couple of weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.  This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.  Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of being a half-cocked effort.  That won't be the case this year as we are very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.

1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit of its members.

2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.

3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization for the membership.


One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any specific issue or person within EAA.  There are no lack of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of Directors.  One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their actions.  Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.

We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them.  The organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.

For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:

 

SECTION IV.  Voting by Members.  Each member 18 years of age and older shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership, except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.


In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the Internal Revenue Service:

MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC CAN VOTE DIRECTLY FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES.  THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.


This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or outrageous.  In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the membership.  Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted by the EAA's election process.  In the case of this year it excluded more than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.

As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting proxy forms for next year's election.  The proxy can be downloaded here.  In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too.  If we could get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good position.

We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.

1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.

http://members4members.blogspot.com


2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo.  This group was setup about a week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/m4m/


3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/members4members


4) We have setup a twitter account:

@Members4Members


5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:

http://www.members4members.org

 

Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on short notice.  If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too.  There are a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.

All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our goals.  It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our friends and peer members.

I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.

Thanks,
Phil

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of FlyingTiger
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Canard Aviators
Subject: [c-a] EAA Membership Vote

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meeting

Reply with quote

From Tim Lewis:


 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 
This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FMTruckee Tahoe Airport


Can't get to CSA pics

Terry Schubert
 


Look Ma, No Pontoons

Webcave
 

Mike Melville did this in the Defiant way back in the early 80's.



This is incredible....
SCROLL DOWN...
Look Ma, No Pontoons!
Early morning anglers are treated to the spectacle of four T6 Harvard aircraft from The Flying Lions Aerobatic Team water-skiing across the Klipdrift Dam near Johannesburg, South Africa.

Arnie Meneghelli from Academy Brushware, owner of the aircraft, had this to say, 'What we did today I believe is a world first. It illustrates that South African air show pilots are amongst the best in the world.'

This unusual act, approved by the South African Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), and supported by Castrol Aviation, was meticulously planned and took place under the watchful eye of divers and paramedics that were on site.
Extremely skilful even looking ahead...
but doing it while keeping formation... WOW!!!
This was pretty daring.
Just one little ripple or downdraft, etc., and it would all be over.
JackM
Veze


Re: TFR Software Check

 

Android Avilution Aviation Maps shows it at 19:00 UTC
A whole bunch of TFR's in the area.
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Tim Andres <tim2542@...> wrote:
 

WingX is showing it as of 11:35 pst.
Tim Andres


On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:19 AM, "Thomas Mann" <tmann@...> wrote:

 

There is a TFR over KOMA at the moment.
I would be interested in finding out which applications are displaying it and which are not.
 
I was surprised to see that mine is not displaying it. I have a query in to support at this time.
 
Yet another reason to contact flight service before you go.



Re: TFR Software Check

Tim Andres
 

WingX is showing it as of 11:35 pst.
Tim Andres


On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:19 AM, "Thomas Mann" <tmann@...> wrote:

 

There is a TFR over KOMA at the moment.
I would be interested in finding out which applications are displaying it and which are not.
 
I was surprised to see that mine is not displaying it. I have a query in to support at this time.
 
Yet another reason to contact flight service before you go.


EAA Membership Vote

FlyingTiger <flyingtiger05@...>
 

 

 
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Proxy effort @ EAA annual meetingReply with quote
From Tim Lewis:
 440+ proxy votes submitted by Phil Perry at today's annual EAA meeting. 
 Phil successfully exercised the system, got our proxies accepted by EAA, 
 and clearly got the board's attention. 

 Rod Hightower and company claimed 27,000 proxys, which they exercised 
 to keep the incumbent members on the board (Phil voted for the 
 non-incumbents). 

 A few hundred folks showed up to attend the meeting, where a long line 
 of folks aired concerns & comments. Areas of concern included lack of 
 EAA governance accountability, treatment of volunteers, and the chalets. 
 Memorable quote regarding the fence-enclosed Chalets that took over some 
 former aircraft parking (and blocked the view) near show center: 
 "Nothing says 'you're not welcome' like a white picket fence." 

 Kudos to Phil for stepping up and delivering the governance message 
 effectively and eloquently. 

This is the updated Members4Members proxy vote for 2013. Let's get the wordout and get our real voice heard!
http://members4members.blogspot.com/ 

Tim 
VEZE N26FM
Truckee Tahoe Airport


Re: TFR Software Check

Jim Rodrian
 

ForeFlight is showing the TFR over KOMA, as of 1650 UTC.  ForeFlight is also showing additional TFR’s in the KOMA area today and pending TFR’s in Iowa tomorrow.

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of Thomas Mann
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:20 AM
To: canard-aviators@...
Subject: [c-a] TFR Software Check

 

 

There is a TFR over KOMA at the moment.

I would be interested in finding out which applications are displaying it and which are not.

 

I was surprised to see that mine is not displaying it. I have a query in to support at this time.

 

Yet another reason to contact flight service before you go.

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