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Re: Odyssey 680 pickle

Don B
 

I have two had airplanes with Odyssey batteries and never a problem!  I left the battery switch on and drained one completely down once.  I followed the instructions on their website and brought it back to life and that was two years ago.  Never put a trickle charge on them and they never let me down. 

On Friday, May 13, 2016, 10:48 PM, Jorgen Skovbjerg skovbjerg@... [canard-aviators] wrote:

 

That is interesting to me... My 925 has been in the plane now for 7-3/4 years and still going strong as new, never abused but never babied either...
I did not realize that there are reported quality issues with the Odysseys.

Jay

On May 13, 2016, at 14:34, PC uh1cw2@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

I gave up on Odyssey batteries 6 years ago. I replace Three Odyssey 925 batteries in 9 years and decided enough was enough. By the way, I had tenders on the last two 24/7.  I went back to concord 35AXC type. It’s large and powerful.  I have had it in the plane for 6 years without issue. It has enough cranking amps to keep the ignition and all electrical in the plane going for at least 2 hours.  Odyssey batteries are way over rated and cost a lot of money for poor quality and minimum longevity.  Don’t let the bright orange color fool you into believing you’re getting anything special, you’re not!

 

You are better off with a lawn mower / tractor battery than purchasing an Odyssey.

 

Just expressing my personal experience with the product.

 

Respectfully,

 

Phil Camarda

Long EZ Driver

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of vance atkinson nostromo56@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Canard Aviators; Cozy Builders
Subject: [c-a] Odyssey 680 pickle

 

 

Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson


Re: Odyssey 680 pickle

Bob Holliston
 

Sounds like Odyssey might have a quality control problem. My 925 works fine after five years, has sat for up to three months in the winter, never seen a battery maintainer, and always starts on the second blade. Also, my 2004 Dodge Dakota has the original battery. Bob

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Jim Jim.Rodrian@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:
 

Steve,

What is the basis for your statement "the connection between the cells are designed to fail"?

I have two Odyssey PC 680's in my Defiant.  I replaced both of them last year.  Both had 5 years (250 hours Hobbs time) of "flying" time on them.  One was seven years old, the other was six years old.  Both were working perfectly!  The Lycoming O-360 engines usually started in 2 blades of rotation (with Slick mags.). On one occasion the plane sat in the hanger (60 F) for 6 months without an engine start and no "trickle" charging of the batteries.  After that 6 month period, both engines started in 2 or 3 blades of rotation.

The batteries in the Defiant are charged at 14.5 volts during flight.  Whenever the avionics are ON (for 2 year pitot/static/transponder check) the battery supplying the load is charged with the Odyssey "smart charger" designs specifically to charge the Odessey battery.

Jim Rodrian
Defiant N403R

On May 13, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Steve Hall stevehall@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

The connections between the cells are designed to fail!!!
If you get three years on any battery you are lucky!!

Steve



On May 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, PC uh1cw2@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

I gave up on Odyssey batteries 6 years ago. I replace Three Odyssey 925 batteries in 9 years and decided enough was enough. By the way, I had tenders on the last two 24/7.  I went back to concord 35AXC type. It’s large and powerful.  I have had it in the plane for 6 years without issue. It has enough cranking amps to keep the ignition and all electrical in the plane going for at least 2 hours.  Odyssey batteries are way over rated and cost a lot of money for poor quality and minimum longevity.  Don’t let the bright orange color fool you into believing you’re getting anything special, you’re not!

 

You are better off with a lawn mower / tractor battery than purchasing an Odyssey.

 

Just expressing my personal experience with the product.

 

Respectfully,

 

Phil Camarda

Long EZ Driver

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of vance atkinson nostromo56@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Canard Aviators; Cozy Builders
Subject: [c-a] Odyssey 680 pickle

 

 

Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson




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Re: COZY: Wire sleeving / protection

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Andrew Anunson wrote:
 
What is a generous service loop?

7.3. You get to pick the units.

Depends on the installation. If you're wiring a harness to an instrument / piece of avionics, allow for the thing to be moved in the IP - folks reconfigure panels regularly, and being able to move an instrument without having to rewire it - maybe just cut a few tie-wraps and relocate a bundle attachment to the fuselage side - is a lot simpler. But heuristics are better than description - here are examples of some nice wiring:


I'd have left longer harnesses in the 2nd,3rd and fourth, but obviously, nicely done. The wires are not just pulled from point to point, dangling in space in singletons.

Bundles help support each other and make for fewer stress/fatigue failures at connections. Don't pull wires tight at connectors - leave some slack for a bit of motion or for when you bonk into it while doing maintenance.

This, not so much:


Eh. It's probably average to maybe even slightly above average for homebuilder wiring, but it's less than optimal. I can't find many pics of lousy wiring - folks tend not to throw pics of lousy work up in public. But if you work on EAB aircraft, you see a LOT of crappy wiring jobs.

Other than the excess protection on this particular plane, the wiring was mostly nicely done. I'm getting pickier as I get older...

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Re: Odyssey 680 pickle

Jim Rodrian
 

Steve,

What is the basis for your statement "the connection between the cells are designed to fail"?

I have two Odyssey PC 680's in my Defiant.  I replaced both of them last year.  Both had 5 years (250 hours Hobbs time) of "flying" time on them.  One was seven years old, the other was six years old.  Both were working perfectly!  The Lycoming O-360 engines usually started in 2 blades of rotation (with Slick mags.). On one occasion the plane sat in the hanger (60 F) for 6 months without an engine start and no "trickle" charging of the batteries.  After that 6 month period, both engines started in 2 or 3 blades of rotation.

The batteries in the Defiant are charged at 14.5 volts during flight.  Whenever the avionics are ON (for 2 year pitot/static/transponder check) the battery supplying the load is charged with the Odyssey "smart charger" designs specifically to charge the Odessey battery.

Jim Rodrian
Defiant N403R

On May 13, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Steve Hall stevehall@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

The connections between the cells are designed to fail!!!
If you get three years on any battery you are lucky!!

Steve



On May 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, PC uh1cw2@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

I gave up on Odyssey batteries 6 years ago. I replace Three Odyssey 925 batteries in 9 years and decided enough was enough. By the way, I had tenders on the last two 24/7.  I went back to concord 35AXC type. It’s large and powerful.  I have had it in the plane for 6 years without issue. It has enough cranking amps to keep the ignition and all electrical in the plane going for at least 2 hours.  Odyssey batteries are way over rated and cost a lot of money for poor quality and minimum longevity.  Don’t let the bright orange color fool you into believing you’re getting anything special, you’re not!

 

You are better off with a lawn mower / tractor battery than purchasing an Odyssey.

 

Just expressing my personal experience with the product.

 

Respectfully,

 

Phil Camarda

Long EZ Driver

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of vance atkinson nostromo56@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Canard Aviators; Cozy Builders
Subject: [c-a] Odyssey 680 pickle

 

 

Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson


Re: COZY: Wire sleeving / protection

Andrew Anunson
 

Marc Zeitlin wrote:
Have generous service loops in electrical bundles so that wires can be moved, just in case.

What is a generous service loop?  Good information regarding excessive use of wire sleeving.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson





Re: Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

Burrall Sanders
 

We've done this a few times since we built our first Berkut and realized that it is a good idea.  Be careful not to use too flimsy of material, we discovered one retainer on a Berkut that let the bolt head spin (half inch all metal lock nuts turn pretty hard) we had to use a handheld hacksaw blade to cut the bolt to get the wing off, trust me you don't want to do that.  But otherwise, yes its a good way to retain a  wing bolt and eliminate the holes in the wing needed to gain access to the bolt heads  ACS sells an extruded AL. channel that is strong enough but needs a small amount of material machined away from the inside to fit the bolt head.
Burrall

www.freeflightcomposites.com


On 5/14/2016 9:32 AM, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
David Froble wrote:
 
As with many things, it's the "idea" or "concept" that is most important.

Precisely.
 
And I agree, it's a great idea.  However, that clunky piece of metal weighs how much?

It's AL - it's a few oz.
 
It seems to me that this part is not structural, and could be much more "flimsy".

This particular one could be, yes - it's machined from billet. Redmon's piece is an extrusion, so is lighter.
 
Perhaps even something removable, just like your chunk of foam?

That wouldn't prevent bolt rotation, which is 1/2 of the purpose of the thing. If you need a second wrench, you need a 2nd person.

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Re: COZY: Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

lezdreamer
 

I have the same thing on my EZ, I copied James, bought the aluminum from homedepot, fits perfect.

Robert Asis
Chino, CA

On May 14, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Folks:

It has been pointed out to me by a mailing list member that James Redmon's Berkut is the same system, I believe:


Not exactly the same, but 99%. So credit where it is due. Thanks, James.

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Re: Alum instrument panel

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Bill Allen wrote:
 
The authorities are suggesting that the alum panel (0.125" 2024T3) will be weaker than the original 5 ply BID (2plys one side 3 the other) and will thus need additional bracing.

Weaker? No. Less stiff? Yes. Although 1/8" AL is way overkill. As has been suggested here before, 0.062" or 0.090" AL is more than adequate. BUT, they MAY require stiffeners in the horizontal and/or vertical direction, especially on wider planes such as COZY's. You don't specify whether it's a LE or COZY.

... if you have, could you let me know how many attach points, any local beef up, and
if you have any "additional bracing" if you thought that the Alum was weaker than the 5ply bid original?

I suggest an AL "L" flange across the top of the leg holes, as well as around the top of the IP. This will substantially stiffen the IP. Build glass 5 - 6 BID flanges for attachment to the fuselage sides and center post, and connect with screws every 4" using nutplates on the flanges.

But there are many ways to skin this cat - I believe Burrall has described a similar method in the past, as has James Redmon, and a few others.

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Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

David Froble wrote:
 
As with many things, it's the "idea" or "concept" that is most important.

Precisely.
 
And I agree, it's a great idea.  However, that clunky piece of metal weighs how much?

It's AL - it's a few oz.
 
It seems to me that this part is not structural, and could be much more "flimsy".

This particular one could be, yes - it's machined from billet. Redmon's piece is an extrusion, so is lighter.
 
Perhaps even something removable, just like your chunk of foam?

That wouldn't prevent bolt rotation, which is 1/2 of the purpose of the thing. If you need a second wrench, you need a 2nd person.

--
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                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


COZY: Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Folks:

It has been pointed out to me by a mailing list member that James Redmon's Berkut is the same system, I believe:


Not exactly the same, but 99%. So credit where it is due. Thanks, James.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


Wire sleeving / protection

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Folks:

On a different Long-EZ (a very nice OSH award winner), I'm in the process of replacing the ancient Rocky Mountain EMS with a Dynon EMS (along with a Condition Inspection, landing light install, and a few other things). This plane was built with extensive use of wire protection sleeving, such as:

and:

While pretty, it is not necessary to cover every wire in the plane (or at least 90% of them) with this stuff. It doesn't weigh nothing, and it complicates maintenance, repairs and replacement. Judicious use of either of these, in places where chafing MAY occur (passing through bulkheads or other pass-throughs, etc.) is welcome and desired. Other than that, though, it's overkill and will just make your life difficult down the road.

Assume that except for primary structure, you WILL have to maintain/remove/re-install/replace EVERY system (electrical, hydraulic, mechanical) on the plane a few times during the time you fly and maintain it. Make that maintenance easy and simple, and you'll be more likely to keep your plane in good shape and working well, and less likely to ignore things. When installing something, ask yourself how much of a PITA it would be to remove it - do you have to disassemble 1/2 the interior to replace it? Anywhere a nutplate would make life simpler than having to put a wrench on a nut on the backside of something, use a nutplate. Have generous service loops in electrical bundles so that wires can be moved, just in case. Etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

Kevin Kelly
 

Neat🌞


On Sat, 14 May, 2016 at 4:10 PM, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators]
wrote:
 

Folks:

We've discussed this type of thing before, but a Long-EZ I'm working on had a particularly nice outer main spar wing bolt retention scheme that makes it very simple for one person to remove and install the wings. All it requires is one small c'sunk drilled hole in the center between the two outer wing bolts.



After the wing bolts are installed in the main spar, this piece is slid over them and a 1/4-28 flathead screw is used to retain the bolt heads; preventing them from turning or pushing back into the spar. The center hole is tapped so the screw pulls it tight against the bolt heads.

The inner bolt still needs to be held in place manually - I install it and wedge it in place with a piece of blue foam until I get the nut started. It might be possible to build a 1/2 version of this part to retain the inner wing bolt - haven't tried that, since wedging with a piece of foam works reasonably well.

While installing the bolts in the spar is reversed from the plans, this scheme makes it far easier to install the wing.

FYI.

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Long-EZ/COZY/etc. Wing Bolt Retention

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Folks:

We've discussed this type of thing before, but a Long-EZ I'm working on had a particularly nice outer main spar wing bolt retention scheme that makes it very simple for one person to remove and install the wings. All it requires is one small c'sunk drilled hole in the center between the two outer wing bolts.



After the wing bolts are installed in the main spar, this piece is slid over them and a 1/4-28 flathead screw is used to retain the bolt heads; preventing them from turning or pushing back into the spar. The center hole is tapped so the screw pulls it tight against the bolt heads.

The inner bolt still needs to be held in place manually - I install it and wedge it in place with a piece of blue foam until I get the nut started. It might be possible to build a 1/2 version of this part to retain the inner wing bolt - haven't tried that, since wedging with a piece of foam works reasonably well.

While installing the bolts in the spar is reversed from the plans, this scheme makes it far easier to install the wing.

FYI.

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Alum instrument panel

Bill Allen
 

Hi All,

A pal of mine in the UK is replacing his original panel with an alum panel during an instrument upgrade. There is no "education and recreation" category here, so he has to get "permission".

The authorities are suggesting that the alum panel (0.125" 2024T3)will be weaker than the original 5 ply BID (2plys one side 3 the other) and will thus need additional bracing.

I know that many folk have installed alum panel, and I'm just asking on his behalf, if you have, could you let me know
how many attach points,
any local beef up, and
if you have any "additional bracing" if you thought that the Alum was weaker than the 5ply bid original?

Many thanks!

Bill Allen
LongEz160 N99BA FD51
CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ
VE N2CR FD51
LongEz diesel G-LEZE EGBJ


Re: Odyssey 680 pickle

skovbjerg
 

That is interesting to me... My 925 has been in the plane now for 7-3/4 years and still going strong as new, never abused but never babied either...
I did not realize that there are reported quality issues with the Odysseys.

Jay

On May 13, 2016, at 14:34, PC uh1cw2@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

I gave up on Odyssey batteries 6 years ago. I replace Three Odyssey 925 batteries in 9 years and decided enough was enough. By the way, I had tenders on the last two 24/7.  I went back to concord 35AXC type. It’s large and powerful.  I have had it in the plane for 6 years without issue. It has enough cranking amps to keep the ignition and all electrical in the plane going for at least 2 hours.  Odyssey batteries are way over rated and cost a lot of money for poor quality and minimum longevity.  Don’t let the bright orange color fool you into believing you’re getting anything special, you’re not!

 

You are better off with a lawn mower / tractor battery than purchasing an Odyssey.

 

Just expressing my personal experience with the product.

 

Respectfully,

 

Phil Camarda

Long EZ Driver

 

From: canard-aviators@... [mailto:canard-aviators@...] On Behalf Of vance atkinson nostromo56@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Canard Aviators; Cozy Builders
Subject: [c-a] Odyssey 680 pickle

 

 

Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson


Re: Photo of Nat Puffer

Tony Rothwell
 

Nat and the late Shirley Puffer at OSH 05  (31st July 2005).  The camper in the background was their regular one in Paul's Woods.

Tony

On 14 May 2016 at 11:18, 'John Lambert' varieze@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Canard Aviators

 

I am in need of a photo of Nat Puffer. Looking for a good face shot.

 

This is for a PowerPoint presentation to be given at AirVenture this year. I would like a JPG emailed if you can have one you will share.

 

Thank you for your assistance.

 

Best regards

John Lambert



Photo of Nat Puffer

John Lambert
 

Hi Canard Aviators

 

I am in need of a photo of Nat Puffer. Looking for a good face shot.

 

This is for a PowerPoint presentation to be given at AirVenture this year. I would like a JPG emailed if you can have one you will share.

 

Thank you for your assistance.

 

Best regards

John Lambert


Re: COZY: Odyssey 680 pickle

Jim Evans
 

I have two due to dual ignition and leave the Odessey charger on all the time. Always starts fine.  These batteries are two to three years old now. Maybe I shouldn't have bragged on them. I'll go out and check again tomorrow.

Jim

On May 13, 2016 6:52 PM, "Tim Andres tim2542@... [canard-aviators]" <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:
 

There is a recovery procedure on their web site. Basically you charge and discharge it repeatedly until the capacity is back up. I've done this after leaving a master in and it worked just fine.  
Also, lots of traffic on these batteries over on VAF about killing them by keeping a trickle charger hooked.  
I have now experience with that, mine stays up fine for weeks on end without a trickle charge.  
Tim Andres

On May 13, 2016, at 3:41 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:

Wouldnt take a charge...(showed 7 amps only on the meter.......)
v

On 5/13/2016 5:44 PM, Richard Rohaly wrote:
Did you re-charge it and see if it would hold a charge?

I had issues with my Odyssey batteries in the past and the issue was the battery voltage seemed to drop after not flying but once a month on average. The starter would barely turn the motor and if it didn't start on the first try, I'd have to put the charger on for a few hours.
I checked my system for possible current draw  and couldn't find any. I eventually found a loose weak connection at the starter motor, but even having the battery sit with little use, I still had an issue with some weakness. I finally bought a battery tender which I leave hooked up all the time and I hook it up after each flight. It always spins the motor with lots of energy to spare.
The guys at Odyssey said that the battery should maintain somewhere around 12-12.5 volts when just sitting as I recall. I would call them and maybe they will help out with the cost of a replacement if its fairly new.
Also, when the master has been left on by accident and the battery goes dead, it can be recharged and brought back to life.
Dick Rohaly
#766

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:57 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:
Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson



Re: COZY: Odyssey 680 pickle

Craig Westwood
 

Does the Odyssey have low voltage protection?  Meaning it won't charge until it reaches some minimal level?  Try connecting another battery and the charger?  Or possibly the charger wont charge until and minimal voltage is reached?

I left the master on a few months ago (Odyssey 680) and charged it the next day, but it wouldn't turn over more than 2-3 blades, so ordered a new Odyssey... put the old battery on the charger for the heck of it a couple weeks later, and that battery now seems fine... bah.  

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 6:41 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:
Wouldnt take a charge...(showed 7 amps only on the meter.......)
v

On 5/13/2016 5:44 PM, Richard Rohaly wrote:
Did you re-charge it and see if it would hold a charge?

I had issues with my Odyssey batteries in the past and the issue was the battery voltage seemed to drop after not flying but once a month on average. The starter would barely turn the motor and if it didn't start on the first try, I'd have to put the charger on for a few hours.
I checked my system for possible current draw  and couldn't find any. I eventually found a loose weak connection at the starter motor, but even having the battery sit with little use, I still had an issue with some weakness. I finally bought a battery tender which I leave hooked up all the time and I hook it up after each flight. It always spins the motor with lots of energy to spare.
The guys at Odyssey said that the battery should maintain somewhere around 12-12.5 volts when just sitting as I recall. I would call them and maybe they will help out with the cost of a replacement if its fairly new.
Also, when the master has been left on by accident and the battery goes dead, it can be recharged and brought back to life.
Dick Rohaly
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:57 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:
Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson





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Re: COZY: Odyssey 680 pickle

Tim Andres
 

There is a recovery procedure on their web site. Basically you charge and discharge it repeatedly until the capacity is back up. I've done this after leaving a master in and it worked just fine.  
Also, lots of traffic on these batteries over on VAF about killing them by keeping a trickle charger hooked.  
I have now experience with that, mine stays up fine for weeks on end without a trickle charge.  
Tim Andres

On May 13, 2016, at 3:41 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:

Wouldnt take a charge...(showed 7 amps only on the meter.......)
v

On 5/13/2016 5:44 PM, Richard Rohaly wrote:
Did you re-charge it and see if it would hold a charge?

I had issues with my Odyssey batteries in the past and the issue was the battery voltage seemed to drop after not flying but once a month on average. The starter would barely turn the motor and if it didn't start on the first try, I'd have to put the charger on for a few hours.
I checked my system for possible current draw  and couldn't find any. I eventually found a loose weak connection at the starter motor, but even having the battery sit with little use, I still had an issue with some weakness. I finally bought a battery tender which I leave hooked up all the time and I hook it up after each flight. It always spins the motor with lots of energy to spare.
The guys at Odyssey said that the battery should maintain somewhere around 12-12.5 volts when just sitting as I recall. I would call them and maybe they will help out with the cost of a replacement if its fairly new.
Also, when the master has been left on by accident and the battery goes dead, it can be recharged and brought back to life.
Dick Rohaly
#766

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:57 PM, vance atkinson <nostromo56@...> wrote:
Hey guys, 

I went out to the plane this morning to go fly and my Odyssey PC 680 was dead...well, almost, it had 5.2 volts left in it.  I was ticked off after doing all the prep for the flight and not being able to go!

This is a puzzlement as I flew it last weekend with no problems, and no, I didn't leave anything "on".  I checked all the usual suspects and came up with nothing as to why it died.

The puzzlement is this battery is only 2.5 years old and not abused. Only gingerly used by a Lil' ol' lady from Pasadena once a year......LOL

I have used this type battery in the past and it usually gets to about 5 years  before crapping out. I did buy this from a discount house which makes me suspicious.

Anyway, scrubbed flight and have a new bat. on the way from ACS.

Vance Atkinson


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