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Interesting from FAA....

Marl Halbrook
 

Just read this in an AVweb flash....

“FAA Administrator Michael Huerta said Thursday that U.S. airline pilots will not have to undergo psychological testing, at least not in any formal way. At a news conference Huerta said aviation medical examiners have been given extra training to spot potential mental health issues in pilots but there will be no structured testing program. Huerta said tests only capture the pilot’s mental state at the time of the examination and that’s of little value in preventing catastrophes like the mass killing of a planeload of tourists by suicidal pilot Andreas Lubitz in March of 2015. “

Didja catch that----"Huerta said tests only capture the pilot’s mental state at the time of the examination and that’s of little value in preventing catastrophes....

Isn't that the EXACT same argument that pilots have been using in regards to the 3rd class medical???


Marl Halbrook
Albany, Ga


Infinity retract system for sale.

Ryszard Zadow
 

Anyone interested in an Infinity retract and system please contact me.

Ryszard
Pres. Rutan Aircraft Flying Museum/
WCAM
832 428 5864


Re: Off topic stuff

Mike Collier
 

No moderation.... Grow thicker skin or hit delete.  I use the delete key all the time.... Its easy and its free!

On Jun 13, 2016 7:22 AM, "'SD-Ramirez, Simon' simon@... [canard-aviators]" <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Walt, it seems to me that some people here do want moderation.  Marc Zeitlin feels free to post political crap whenever it favors his position or liberalism.  When it's conservatism, he threatens to "moderate" you out of existence.  The canard aviators is the only forum where he cannot dictate his own brand of politics, unless of course you choose to moderate it.

I'm not sure who the others are that want the list moderated, but as two others said, they're pretty handy with the DELETE key.

Simon Ramirez Oviedo, FL 32765 USA


On 6/13/2016 7:45 AM, sabrewalt@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 

Somebody wrote.

"The Cozy List is moderated and civil?  Adios muchachos!"
============================================
You knuckleheads want moderated again?? REALLY.. YOU SURE...

Be careful what you wish for.








Re: Off topic stuff

SD-Ramirez, Simon <simon@...>
 

Walt, it seems to me that some people here do want moderation. Marc Zeitlin feels free to post political crap whenever it favors his position or liberalism. When it's conservatism, he threatens to "moderate" you out of existence. The canard aviators is the only forum where he cannot dictate his own brand of politics, unless of course you choose to moderate it.

I'm not sure who the others are that want the list moderated, but as two others said, they're pretty handy with the DELETE key.

Simon Ramirez Oviedo, FL 32765 USA


On 6/13/2016 7:45 AM, sabrewalt@... [canard-aviators] wrote:

Somebody wrote.

"The Cozy List is moderated and civil? Adios muchachos!"
============================================
You knuckleheads want moderated again?? REALLY.. YOU SURE...

Be careful what you wish for.








Off topic stuff

Walt Beaulieu
 

Somebody wrote.

"The Cozy List is moderated and civil?  Adios muchachos!"
============================================
You knuckleheads want moderated again?? REALLY.. YOU SURE...

Be careful what you wish for.







Re: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fw: FAA Will Reportedly Offer $500 ADS-B Rebate

Ryszard Zadow
 

Yes, but unless they have a jet engine on the back, Cozys are boring. 

Ryszard 

On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Don Druckenbrodt n129dd@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

The Cozy List is moderated and civil?  Adios muchachos!


Re: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fw: FAA Will Reportedly Offer $500 ADS-B Rebate

Don & Kristen Druckenbrodt
 

The Cozy List is moderated and civil?  Adios muchachos!


Re: Spinner Aerodynamic Benefits

Ryszard Zadow
 

The Millennium Falcon copied my spinner.. 

Ryszard 

On Jun 12, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Elwood Johnson ejandlinda@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Remember in Star Wars when they pushed the power forward and the stars sort of elongated, well thats what it looked like with the new spinner on my Long.
LOL

EJ Johnson N36EJ Mid. Kansas


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Palmer Reising cozyiiiaviation@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Hey Guys,

How much aerodynamic benefit does a spinner provide? Also, are the rear-mount spinners as effective as the type that covers the hub?

Additionally, how much difference does a flow guide make?

.
Palmer


Todd Silver

tfdarden
 

I did not know Todd but was familiar with his canopy business by reputation.

Someone else posted about his poor wife having to deal with the chaos that will ensue.  For a small company to lose the founder/CEO is daunting, not to mention the more important losses she's had.

Query, if any of you know her or knew him, and if you have general business experience, maybe reach out to her after a couple of weeks and offer to assist her?  For all I know she was the cofounder and has an MBA, so maybe she won't be so overwhelmed, but that's not typically the case. Plus, no matter what background somehow has, this stuff is darned complex -- I've been the executor or a primary responsible person now for two parents' and two in laws' estates, and it is an awful system. 

This is the kind of thing we usually do not do, because we think the grieving people will reach out if they need help (WRONG!), or it's none of our business.  But I've found it can be a real gift to reach out to someone grieving in a slightly presumptuous or forward manner.

Most of us don't live near there or didn't know them or are swamped with our own jobs, so I realize this is a stretch. But I just wanted to throw out this thought in case it resonates with the right person. 

On Jun 12, 2016, at 9:45 PM, to tu <totucomm@...> wrote:

Thanks for passing it along.   He's quite a loss. 

Tom

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:
 

Just heard that Todd passed away. We started building together our CZ' 20 years ago. He was a great help to me. Rest in piece. Condolences to his family.


Buly


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Bulent Aliev




Re: Spinner Aerodynamic Benefits

Elwood Johnson
 

Remember in Star Wars when they pushed the power forward and the stars sort of elongated, well thats what it looked like with the new spinner on my Long.
LOL

EJ Johnson N36EJ Mid. Kansas


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Palmer Reising cozyiiiaviation@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Hey Guys,

How much aerodynamic benefit does a spinner provide? Also, are the rear-mount spinners as effective as the type that covers the hub?

Additionally, how much difference does a flow guide make?

.
Palmer


Re: Todd Silver

to tu <totucomm@...>
 

Thanks for passing it along.   He's quite a loss. 

Tom

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Just heard that Todd passed away. We started building together our CZ' 20 years ago. He was a great help to me. Rest in piece. Condolences to his family.


Buly


--
Bulent Aliev




Re: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fw: FAA Will Reportedly Offer $500 ADS-B Rebate NOT TO COZY DRIVERS

Richard Hughes
 

A mortgage is not a wealthy man's hobby.



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:43 PM, A R Goldman ARGOLDMAN@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Of course it is always easy to look at only one side of a situation especially with perhaps tinted glasses.

Lessee what is the reason for the adsb??

Oh a new way to control air traffic more safely and to enable more reliable positional awareness, by the controllers so that closer traffic spacing ls possible. Currently we rely on radar, which is ground based and thus all targets (us and others) are approximations based on trigonometric estimates. This requires larger spacing of aircraft in the system.

The main attempt is to keep aircraft from bumping into each other.

One might say "I don't fly ifr and don't use radar

You may not use control directly but it does help to keep those using the system to not hit you

I'm sure that there was the same argument when we switched from 4course to that new dangled VOR

It seems like your understanding is that gen aviation is a hobby.... Not necessarily true many businesses depend on gen aviation.

Our history is replete with the govt "social engineering " using money as incentives

If you own a house you are soaking the govt and those tax payers who don't own homes for your tax deductions for the interest you pay on your mortgage......

 A bit of social engineering which encouraged home ownership

Similarly the rebate to speed up the transition and learning time curve

Although much(most?) of what the govt does may seem ridiculous especially when viewed through myopic eyes some of it really has beneficial effects.

Let us all know when you send back your mortgage deduction back to the IRS. Which as we all know is just a redistribution of wealth and would be consistent with your stance on this matter

Rich








On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:55 PM, aviatingfool@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Have to side wit Richard on this serious topic.  If you insist on taking money from the government for your hobby just because you can, you are guilty of robbing people in the rest of the country that have no damn interest in our hobby and should not be expected to chip in.  If you think "gee, it's so little" than think of that time every stupid special interest crap being subsidized by jerks like Huerta for their own special project through out the government.  

This whole program suck, like most of what Huerta does.  It' no different than the ethanol subsidy but on a smaller scale.  So his point is valid - you partake, you're part of the problem.  As a list manager Marc can be any kind of PC God he wants to be, unfortunately. But here it's nice to see some decent discussion of huge issues like this that affect us all and if you're too liberal to take it......frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Sorry Don, thought you knew better.



Re: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fw: FAA Will Reportedly Offer $500 ADS-B Rebate NOT TO COZY DRIVERS

Richard Hughes
 

The FAA is supposed to be paid from the taxes on our fuel.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Skovbjerg <skovbjerg@...> wrote:
Richard,
I just wonder how you go about flying in our National Airspace System without being the recipient of subsidies? You do not beleive that all those operations on airports operated by some state level government are not subsidized to your benefit?... Or weather briefings, ATC contacts etc... Then try go to some neighboring country and see what happens...
Happy flyin'
Jay

On Jun 11, 2016, at 06:16, Richard Hughes richardhughes260@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

I stand by every last word I have said!

There will be no apology coming from me.

This is what is called principles, some of us have them!

The apologies should be coming from the pilots & plane owners stealing from the non-flying public!

This is EXACTLY redistribution of wealth!

If any of you take the $500 that the avionics lobbyists convinced the FAA to give so they could move units, you my friends are parasites also!

If the avionics manufacturers wanted the sell more units, they could give a discount, instead of making the non-flying public pay for it.

We are pilots & plane owners, not charity cases!

If the government was not so busy redistributing wealth, each of us would have more of our own money & not need non-pilots to subsidize our hobby!

-Richard Hughes



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:55 AM, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:
 

Richard Hughes wrote:
 
You are truly what is wrong with America!

Whoa, Rich - dial it back 6 or 8 notches - I think you're up to 13 here. If this were the COZY list, this would be a public request for an apology to Dave and others for personal insults, which would be followed by expulsion if such an apology did not appear. But it's not, so I can only request the apology here.
 
Redistribution of wealth is WRONG!

I must have missed the memo in which you were made absolute arbiter of all right and wrong.
 
( Not a looter like David )

Way beyond the pale, Rich. No one personally insulted you.

And prophylactically, for Cthulhu's sake, keep the religious and political discussions (and all discussions not directly related to aircraft, which "redistribution of wealth" is clearly not) off the COZY list.

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Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace




Re: COZY: Missing Part Of A Wing - How Much Does It Matter

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Palmer Reising wrote:

I noticed that I'm missing one of those strake things that hang down from my wing.

Please identify what type of aircraft you're talking about to make it easier for people to help you. I'd also highly recommend reading through the plans and POH for your aircraft, as well as ALL the CP's and (if you've got a COZY) the COZY newsletters. Then you'll have a better idea of why your plane is what it is;  what everything is for, and what everything is called.

It's the outboard one on the starboard wing.

So I think (as do others) that you're talking about the Vortilons, of which there are supposed to be three on each wing for VE's, LE's and COZY's.

How much does it matter....

A lot. The vortilons are on the plane to help with low speed handling and to prevent deep stall of the main wing in slow speed flight at aft CG's. If you haven't stall tested your aircraft at all CG points, you don't know whether you're susceptible to deep stall and without the Vortilon, you're more susceptible than with it.

They're important, which is why the plans have them as a mandatory part of the airplane. Replace it ASAP, and don't stall the plane without it (and don't even get close to stall speed during takeoffs and landings, unless you're at a forward CG position).
 
and how would I go about replacing it? Thanks.

See Page 15 of CP #47 at:


For information on the Vortilons. Us the same dimensions for your COZY III wing (not BL, but distance from the wing/strake intersection)

Checking that the vortilons are in place and secure should be part of the normal Pre-Flight inspection. They tend to get whacked by folks walking close to the wing, or by my back when I duck under the wing and then stand up about 27 milliseconds too soon (of course, in that case, it usually punishes me by slicing my back open, magically without tearing my shirt). When they get whacked, they can crack and/or be broken off.

If it's been missing since you got the plane, it should have been noticed by the Pre-Buy examiner during the Pre-Buy examination you hired him to perform.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: COZY: Spinner Aerodynamic Benefits

skovbjerg
 

My spinner gives me 50 Kts on the ramp and nothing measurable in the air ( pressure recovery at work )
;-)
Jay

On Jun 12, 2016, at 13:25, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Palmer Reising wrote:

How much aerodynamic benefit does a spinner provide?

Someone may have different information, but I am not aware of anyone who has been able to measure a drag or speed difference on a canard pusher with or without a spinner of any type. Nor a cooling difference.

I work on the assumption that spinners merely look cool, and make it far more difficult and unlikely to check prop bolt torque and condition.

Also, are the rear-mount spinners as effective as the type that covers the hub?

You mean the little spinners? Yup, they're exactly the same efficiency - no difference from no spinner.

Additionally, how much difference does a flow guide make?

Some folks claim that they help with cooling - again, I've never seen any data indicating differences - only one or two anecdotal claims.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fw: FAA Will Reportedly Offer $500 ADS-B Rebate NOT TO COZY DRIVERS

skovbjerg
 

Richard,
I just wonder how you go about flying in our National Airspace System without being the recipient of subsidies? You do not beleive that all those operations on airports operated by some state level government are not subsidized to your benefit?... Or weather briefings, ATC contacts etc... Then try go to some neighboring country and see what happens...
Happy flyin'
Jay

On Jun 11, 2016, at 06:16, Richard Hughes richardhughes260@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

I stand by every last word I have said!

There will be no apology coming from me.

This is what is called principles, some of us have them!

The apologies should be coming from the pilots & plane owners stealing from the non-flying public!

This is EXACTLY redistribution of wealth!

If any of you take the $500 that the avionics lobbyists convinced the FAA to give so they could move units, you my friends are parasites also!

If the avionics manufacturers wanted the sell more units, they could give a discount, instead of making the non-flying public pay for it.

We are pilots & plane owners, not charity cases!

If the government was not so busy redistributing wealth, each of us would have more of our own money & not need non-pilots to subsidize our hobby!

-Richard Hughes



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:55 AM, 'Marc J. Zeitlin' marc_zeitlin@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators-noreply@...> wrote:

 

Richard Hughes wrote:
 
You are truly what is wrong with America!

Whoa, Rich - dial it back 6 or 8 notches - I think you're up to 13 here. If this were the COZY list, this would be a public request for an apology to Dave and others for personal insults, which would be followed by expulsion if such an apology did not appear. But it's not, so I can only request the apology here.
 
Redistribution of wealth is WRONG!

I must have missed the memo in which you were made absolute arbiter of all right and wrong.
 
( Not a looter like David )

Way beyond the pale, Rich. No one personally insulted you.

And prophylactically, for Cthulhu's sake, keep the religious and political discussions (and all discussions not directly related to aircraft, which "redistribution of wealth" is clearly not) off the COZY list.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace



Todd Silver

Bulent Aliev
 

Just heard that Todd passed away. We started building together our CZ' 20 years ago. He was a great help to me. Rest in piece. Condolences to his family.

Buly


--
Bulent Aliev



Re: COZY: Spinner Aerodynamic Benefits [1 Attachment]

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Jeff Barnes wrote:
 
Klaus races with his on (hint hint).

Klaus has also never published any information on any of his speed mods, since he races and does not want to give away useful information to other racers.

Klaus has some stuff on his plane that are misdirection plays. Of course, we don't know which are real and which are misdirection. Since I'm not aware of anyone else who has been able to measure a drag/speed difference with/without a spinner, I'm inclined to believe that it's a misdirection play.

An alternative view is that it's useful on HIS plane, but with all the OTHER mods his plane has, maybe the spinner only makes a difference in combination with 2 - 5 other mods.

Who (besides Klaus) knows...

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Copyright © 2016                     Burnside Aerospace


(No subject)

Bob Holliston
 

Here's my rear seat sump before the top went on and the install. It's about 4" high in back to match 4" thick upholstery. A partition for L/R tanks with a flop tube in the larger side. It's all Kevlar except for the two small round (windows). Might not be a bad place for a plenum for an oil cooler for cabin heat. Oh yeah, also, each side has a sump under the plane as this is the low point in the fuel system.







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Rear seat sump

Dave A
 

Anyone have a picture showing a rear seat fuel sump (under GIB seat)? Please share.

I'm not personally doing it. I would like to see different ways to utilize that space.

Regards,

Dave Anderson

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