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Re: Canopy fram delamination

KEN4ZZ
 

This looks to me like the end result of sanding too much glass away in the finishing process, resulting in not enough glass to make IIRC a very structural flox corner. The canopy frame can be highly stressed in many ways - thermal, torque from a roll, +/- g forces - that are a non-event to the rest of the fuselage.?? You were unlucky enough to find just the 'right' wrong combination of circumstances.

Ken

On 8/6/2019 10:03 PM, skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
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Hoping the picture comes through to you. I just recently discovered this on my canopy frame. The crack is on the hinge side of the canopy frame, right between the hinges and raised from the surface by about 1mm. Can't fathom when or what caused it...no sudden force or impact that I know of.?? Has anyone had this happen on their LongEz canopy frame?

--Jose



Re: EZ painting

Bob Holliston
 

Rolling and tipping might be OK for primer that is going to be sanded but you'll never get a high quality finish paint job as with a spray gun. Not even close. 


On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:17 AM ARGOLDMAN@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

This video says it all as far as the technique.

I will probably do it myself, thanks.

Google wisely. I was able to find a video of a person of the British persuasion who, on video, rolled and tipped the topsides of a rather large power boat, by himself. It seemed like it was his first attempt, however his first coat looked beautiful and glossy.

The important thing in rolling and tipping is to use the proper paint and thinner instructions. The brush should be a high quality (boar bristle). Its purpose is to go over the rolled on paint (use only  high quality dense foam rollers) and smooth the surface from bubbles and orange peal to allow the paint to then flow--not to add more paint to the substrate.

If I am not mistaken, there are paints, including 2K urethane that are formulated for this process which tend to flow out more appropriately. Temperature of application is critical in that hot temps tend to "dry" the paint quicker and give you less time to adequately tip.

Check with yachting suppliers-- Jamestown has lots of experience and seem willing to talk about paint and processes-- Apparently their main (or only) concern and business is these coatings rather than being a general marine supplier. Of course shop for the best deals once the item is determined to be best for you.


Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 2:15 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] EZ painting

 
Jerry Hardesty wrote:
What exactly IS rolling and tipping?


Rich Wrote:
Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip 

See Here... it can be done by one person alone....

Andrew Anunson



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Re: Canopy fram delamination

Jim Evans
 

Good call, Keith.  If you take a closer look at the photo, you can see some damage on the side of the gap below the canopy like something lodged between.  Right at the 1" mark.

Jim

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:09 AM Keith Spreuer kspreuer@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Just guessing but that is exactly the type failure you would get if FOD was lodged in between the canopy and the longeron and then the canopy closed tight.
Keith

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Hoping the picture comes through to you. I just recently discovered this on my canopy frame. The crack is on the hinge side of the canopy frame, right between the hinges and raised from the surface by about 1mm. Can't fathom when or what caused it...no sudden force or impact that I know of.  Has anyone had this happen on their LongEz canopy frame?

--Jose




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Re: Canopy fram delamination

Keith Spreuer
 

Just guessing but that is exactly the type failure you would get if FOD was lodged in between the canopy and the longeron and then the canopy closed tight.
Keith

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Hoping the picture comes through to you. I just recently discovered this on my canopy frame. The crack is on the hinge side of the canopy frame, right between the hinges and raised from the surface by about 1mm. Can't fathom when or what caused it...no sudden force or impact that I know of.  Has anyone had this happen on their LongEz canopy frame?

--Jose



canopy/nose gear/throttle warning system

Bruce Hughes
 

I have misplaced my diagram, which is like everyone else's.

Please can someone send me a copy?

Thank you VERY much.

Bruce Hughes


Re: EZ painting

ARGOLDMAN@...
 

This video says it all as far as the technique.

I will probably do it myself, thanks.

Google wisely. I was able to find a video of a person of the British persuasion who, on video, rolled and tipped the topsides of a rather large power boat, by himself. It seemed like it was his first attempt, however his first coat looked beautiful and glossy.

The important thing in rolling and tipping is to use the proper paint and thinner instructions. The brush should be a high quality (boar bristle). Its purpose is to go over the rolled on paint (use only  high quality dense foam rollers) and smooth the surface from bubbles and orange peal to allow the paint to then flow--not to add more paint to the substrate.

If I am not mistaken, there are paints, including 2K urethane that are formulated for this process which tend to flow out more appropriately. Temperature of application is critical in that hot temps tend to "dry" the paint quicker and give you less time to adequately tip.

Check with yachting suppliers-- Jamestown has lots of experience and seem willing to talk about paint and processes-- Apparently their main (or only) concern and business is these coatings rather than being a general marine supplier. Of course shop for the best deals once the item is determined to be best for you.


Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators]
To: Canard Aviators
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 2:15 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] EZ painting

 
Jerry Hardesty wrote:
What exactly IS rolling and tipping?


Rich Wrote:
Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip 

See Here... it can be done by one person alone....

Andrew Anunson


Re: Canopy fram delamination

Tim Andres
 

Looks to me like the glass was sanded thru during finishing. 
Tim Andres

On Aug 6, 2019, at 11:03 PM, skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Hoping the picture comes through to you. I just recently discovered this on my canopy frame. The crack is on the hinge side of the canopy frame, right between the hinges and raised from the surface by about 1mm. Can't fathom when or what caused it...no sudden force or impact that I know of.  Has anyone had this happen on their LongEz canopy frame?

--Jose



Re: Chrissy and Randy

aviationeyes
 

The Jambalaya should definitely be a do over for next year.
--Jose


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, at 1:33 PM, CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
  ...
So glad you enjoyed the Jambalaya so much, ...
We were sort of gobsmacked when we asked the crowd i they preferred the jambalaya or the spaghetti. ...
We will probably do the jambalaya jam again next year, an tweaked version of this year's.
...


Canopy fram delamination

aviationeyes
 

Hoping the picture comes through to you. I just recently discovered this on my canopy frame. The crack is on the hinge side of the canopy frame, right between the hinges and raised from the surface by about 1mm. Can't fathom when or what caused it...no sudden force or impact that I know of.  Has anyone had this happen on their LongEz canopy frame?

--Jose



Re: EZ painting

Andrew Anunson
 

Jerry Hardesty wrote:
What exactly IS rolling and tipping?


Rich Wrote:
Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip 

See Here... it can be done by one person alone....

Andrew Anunson


Re: EZ painting

Mike Satchell
 

Apply the paint with a roller, "tip" it with a brush.  Lots of videos....

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wet+edge+rolling+and+tipping

Regards,
Mike Satchell


On 8/6/2019 6:27 PM, jerry hardesty horselover93103@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
What exactly IS rolling and tipping?

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 9:04:33 AM PDT, ARGOLDMAN@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Rolling and tipping seems to be a great, clean and effective solution. It is used on the topsides (part above the water) on large yachts and from what I have seen equals spray-on is less expensive (less material) cleaner (no paint booth necessary) and requires only a special type of roller (not home depot kind) and a good quality brush. The only problem, for me, is that I am a solo builder and to get best effect you need another person to roll or tip, with the tipping happening very shortly after the roll on. It is done in small segments, just moving along the piece until done.

I am seriously considering just rolling on primer since it is sanded after application. Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip although that is not out of the question. (I do have two arms)

Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] EZ painting

 
Rich wrote:
Consider rolling and tipping

Definitely something to consider.  It looks to me like a beginner might get a nicer finish with "rolling and tipping" vs. spraying.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


Re: EZ painting

jerry hardesty <horselover93103@...>
 

What exactly IS rolling and tipping?

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 9:04:33 AM PDT, ARGOLDMAN@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Rolling and tipping seems to be a great, clean and effective solution. It is used on the topsides (part above the water) on large yachts and from what I have seen equals spray-on is less expensive (less material) cleaner (no paint booth necessary) and requires only a special type of roller (not home depot kind) and a good quality brush. The only problem, for me, is that I am a solo builder and to get best effect you need another person to roll or tip, with the tipping happening very shortly after the roll on. It is done in small segments, just moving along the piece until done.

I am seriously considering just rolling on primer since it is sanded after application. Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip although that is not out of the question. (I do have two arms)

Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] EZ painting

 
Rich wrote:
Consider rolling and tipping

Definitely something to consider.  It looks to me like a beginner might get a nicer finish with "rolling and tipping" vs. spraying.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


(No subject)

Bob Holliston
 

Jay, actually this 235 came out of a friend's purchased Long EZ with updraft cooling and I know exactly what you mean. The guy should have welded the fins on the sump. We replaced it with a fresh 290 GPU with VO 435 pistons (and a real oil cooler) and what a difference in power. It's yellow. 


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:23 PM Jorgen Skovbjerg skovbjerg@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Every bit helps, but this apparently is a tractor install. On our pushers (with updraft cooling) we benefit from having the sump exposed to incoming cold air.....
:-)
Jay

On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:46, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 



--------I noticed this budget oil cooler on a 235, fins tack welded onto the oil screen housing. I wonder if it helped cool the oil. 







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Re: Chrissi and Randi

cozygirrrl
 

Cots? There is a perfectly good lawn at the Fly-In Theater almost next door with free popcorn and great movies =)
Could you provide cots next year for naps after eats??!!! LOL
Glad you were there and enjoyed yourself!


-----Original Message-----
From: EJ Johnson ejandlinda@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
Chrissy/Randi no need to justify your jambalaya?  I’m a Louisiana native and love this batch.  There is basic stuff as you did do the sausage but most other stuff in amounts an type are an option.    Not many recipes south of Alexandria.  What available throw it in.  The Grandmas know what’s good.  
Thanks for your hard work.  
EJ
Could you provide cots next year for naps after eats??!!! LOL

Long-EZ N36EJ my own little F16.
Elwood 'EJ' Johnson

On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:33 PM, CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 
Chrissy and Randy, who's that?

Jambalaya has the Y in it, no Y's in Chrissi or Randi =)
So glad you enjoyed the Jambalaya so much, very concerned about your health leaving it out overnight outside a porta-potty (cringing actually).
Just goes to show that the right amount of Cajun seasoning can kill anything that ails you =)
Credit for the Jambalaya should go to Bob Tilley, he was the original owner of the big cast iron rig it was fixed in and he brought the recipe back from Baton Rouge where he lived and worked a number of years, he studied his jambalaya craft under a master. We bought the cooking rig from him and tweaked the recipe (hid the Tony Chachere's seasoning from Bob's heavy hand) and collaborated with Bob. Thank you Elizabeth for assistance with the local Kroger's affiliate market for the excellent ingredients as well though we did have to haul the nearly 30 lbs of andoille sausage from St Louis because the Osh locals are into brats and that would have been unthinkable.
We were sort of gobsmacked when we asked the crowd i they preferred the jambalaya or the spaghetti. Was the spaghetti that bad or just getting old? I can eat jambalaya maybe twice a year, I do love it but I have limits. Spaghetti on the other hand is Wednesday night, every Wednesday night. Never tire of it.
We will probably do the jambalaya jam again next year, an tweaked version of this year's.
Thank you for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it that much!
...Chrissi & Randi


-----Original Message-----
From: Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: 'SD-Ramirez, Simon' simon@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 11:05 am
Subject: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
Loved the jambalaya !!

Just finished my last serving of the " take home " batch !

Mercy ! You guys could sell this stuff !

I carried a very warm bag back to my car but stopped off at the John on the way. I left the zip lock on the ground while I was busy, and after my relief, I forgot it and drove home. Next day, it was still where I left it ! !

So I picked it up and put it in the car !

Maybe it's better after a night " chillin' " on the ground ! ! !

Thanks so much !

Your efforts were very much appreciated !

Good food, fun and fellowship ! !

Glennbob



Re: [1 Attachment]

skovbjerg
 

Every bit helps, but this apparently is a tractor install. On our pushers (with updraft cooling) we benefit from having the sump exposed to incoming cold air.....
:-)
Jay

On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:46, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 



--------I noticed this budget oil cooler on a 235, fins tack welded onto the oil screen housing. I wonder if it helped cool the oil. 







--


Re: Chrissy and Randy

Elwood Johnson
 

Chrissy/Randi no need to justify your jambalaya?  I’m a Louisiana native and love this batch.  There is basic stuff as you did do the sausage but most other stuff in amounts an type are an option.    Not many recipes south of Alexandria.  What available throw it in.  The Grandmas know what’s good.  
Thanks for your hard work.  
EJ
Could you provide cots next year for naps after eats??!!! LOL

Long-EZ N36EJ my own little F16.
Elwood 'EJ' Johnson

On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:33 PM, CozyGirrrl@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Chrissy and Randy, who's that?

Jambalaya has the Y in it, no Y's in Chrissi or Randi =)
So glad you enjoyed the Jambalaya so much, very concerned about your health leaving it out overnight outside a porta-potty (cringing actually).
Just goes to show that the right amount of Cajun seasoning can kill anything that ails you =)
Credit for the Jambalaya should go to Bob Tilley, he was the original owner of the big cast iron rig it was fixed in and he brought the recipe back from Baton Rouge where he lived and worked a number of years, he studied his jambalaya craft under a master. We bought the cooking rig from him and tweaked the recipe (hid the Tony Chachere's seasoning from Bob's heavy hand) and collaborated with Bob. Thank you Elizabeth for assistance with the local Kroger's affiliate market for the excellent ingredients as well though we did have to haul the nearly 30 lbs of andoille sausage from St Louis because the Osh locals are into brats and that would have been unthinkable.
We were sort of gobsmacked when we asked the crowd i they preferred the jambalaya or the spaghetti. Was the spaghetti that bad or just getting old? I can eat jambalaya maybe twice a year, I do love it but I have limits. Spaghetti on the other hand is Wednesday night, every Wednesday night. Never tire of it.
We will probably do the jambalaya jam again next year, an tweaked version of this year's.
Thank you for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it that much!
...Chrissi & Randi


-----Original Message-----
From: Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: &#39;SD-Ramirez, Simon&#39; simon@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 11:05 am
Subject: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
Loved the jambalaya !!

Just finished my last serving of the " take home " batch !

Mercy ! You guys could sell this stuff !

I carried a very warm bag back to my car but stopped off at the John on the way. I left the zip lock on the ground while I was busy, and after my relief, I forgot it and drove home. Next day, it was still where I left it ! !

So I picked it up and put it in the car !

Maybe it's better after a night " chillin' " on the ground ! ! !

Thanks so much !

Your efforts were very much appreciated !

Good food, fun and fellowship ! !

Glennbob



(No subject)

Bob Holliston
 



--------I noticed this budget oil cooler on a 235, fins tack welded onto the oil screen housing. I wonder if it helped cool the oil. 







--


Re: Chrissy and Randy

cozygirrrl
 

Just because we didn't nail the hides to the side of our motorhome does not mean we left anything out =)
Actually that jambalaya may not be authentic;

Real Louisiana food has to have at least 2 of the following:
alligator, snake, possum, and crawdads..



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
Actually that jambalaya may not be authentic;

Real Louisiana food has to have at least 2 of the following:
alligator, snake, possum, and crawdads..

----- Original Message -----
From: Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy







We are staying at St Louis Casino Queen RV Park for two night and hoping to try the Girrrls jambalaya 😂

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:05 AM Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


Loved the jambalaya !!


Just finished my last serving of the " take home " batch !


Mercy ! You guys could sell this stuff !


I carried a very warm bag back to my car but stopped off at the John on the way. I left the zip lock on the ground while I was busy, and after my relief, I forgot it and drove home. Next day, it was still where I left it ! !


So I picked it up and put it in the car !


Maybe it's better after a night " chillin' " on the ground ! ! !


Thanks so much !


Your efforts were very much appreciated !


Good food, fun and fellowship ! !


Glennbob




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Bulent@...
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Re: Chrissy and Randy

cozygirrrl
 

Who says we did?
You forgot nutria 😂



-----Original Message-----
From: Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 9:26 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
You forgot nutria 😂

Greg Norman

On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 
Actually that jambalaya may not be authentic;

Real Louisiana food has to have at least 2 of the following:
alligator, snake, possum, and crawdads..

----- Original Message -----
From: Buly bulent.enginegear@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy







We are staying at St Louis Casino Queen RV Park for two night and hoping to try the Girrrls jambalaya 😂

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:05 AM Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 


Loved the jambalaya !!


Just finished my last serving of the " take home " batch !


Mercy ! You guys could sell this stuff !


I carried a very warm bag back to my car but stopped off at the John on the way. I left the zip lock on the ground while I was busy, and after my relief, I forgot it and drove home. Next day, it was still where I left it ! !


So I picked it up and put it in the car !


Maybe it's better after a night " chillin' " on the ground ! ! !


Thanks so much !


Your efforts were very much appreciated !


Good food, fun and fellowship ! !


Glennbob




--
Bulent Aliev
Enginegear
ph +1 954..557.1019
fax +1 386.957.4473
Bulent@...
www.enginegearonline.com






Re: Chrissy and Randy

cozygirrrl
 

Chrissy and Randy, who's that?

Jambalaya has the Y in it, no Y's in Chrissi or Randi =)
So glad you enjoyed the Jambalaya so much, very concerned about your health leaving it out overnight outside a porta-potty (cringing actually).
Just goes to show that the right amount of Cajun seasoning can kill anything that ails you =)
Credit for the Jambalaya should go to Bob Tilley, he was the original owner of the big cast iron rig it was fixed in and he brought the recipe back from Baton Rouge where he lived and worked a number of years, he studied his jambalaya craft under a master. We bought the cooking rig from him and tweaked the recipe (hid the Tony Chachere's seasoning from Bob's heavy hand) and collaborated with Bob. Thank you Elizabeth for assistance with the local Kroger's affiliate market for the excellent ingredients as well though we did have to haul the nearly 30 lbs of andoille sausage from St Louis because the Osh locals are into brats and that would have been unthinkable.
We were sort of gobsmacked when we asked the crowd i they preferred the jambalaya or the spaghetti. Was the spaghetti that bad or just getting old? I can eat jambalaya maybe twice a year, I do love it but I have limits. Spaghetti on the other hand is Wednesday night, every Wednesday night. Never tire of it.
We will probably do the jambalaya jam again next year, an tweaked version of this year's.
Thank you for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it that much!
...Chrissi & Randi


-----Original Message-----
From: Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators]
To: &#39;SD-Ramirez, Simon&#39; simon@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 11:05 am
Subject: [c-a] Chrissy and Randy

 
Loved the jambalaya !!

Just finished my last serving of the " take home " batch !

Mercy ! You guys could sell this stuff !

I carried a very warm bag back to my car but stopped off at the John on the way. I left the zip lock on the ground while I was busy, and after my relief, I forgot it and drove home. Next day, it was still where I left it ! !

So I picked it up and put it in the car !

Maybe it's better after a night " chillin' " on the ground ! ! !

Thanks so much !

Your efforts were very much appreciated !

Good food, fun and fellowship ! !

Glennbob


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