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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Tom Smith <TRCSmith@...>
 

Dana Byerley 
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On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]  wrote:



I apologize for missing that response, thank you. That fills in a gap. Now to figure out how a "totaled" aircraft made it to Brazil... hmmm

RZ
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:02:20 AM CDT, Aziz Musa upperglass747@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

I answered you once and here it is again. Dana Byerley was my hangar mate at Tooele, UT. We both were coming back from Kanab twelve years ago, I in my Long and Dana in the Very ez, when Dana had an engine out outside Tooele due to induction ice as the investigator called it. There was heavy thunderstorm activity right above the airport. It was totaled and Dana walked away with very minor injuries. I met Werner when he delivered the airplane to Dana about a year earlier.
Aziz Musa
Long Ez N147AM 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:31 AM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
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Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Tom Smith <TRCSmith@...>
 

Dana Byerley
801-205-1881

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On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]  wrote:



Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard
On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
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Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner
22 Bermuda Harbor Blvd
Novato Ca. 94949

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Tom Smith <TRCSmith@...>
 



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On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, Aziz Musa upperglass747@... [canard-aviators]  wrote:

Dana byerley 801-205-1881

I answered you once and here it is again. Dana Byerley was my hangar mate at Tooele, UT. We both were coming back from Kanab twelve years ago, I in my Long and Dana in the Very ez, when Dana had an engine out outside Tooele due to induction ice as the investigator called it. There was heavy thunderstorm activity right above the airport. It was totaled and Dana walked away with very minor injuries. I met Werner when he delivered the airplane to Dana about a year earlier.
Aziz Musa
Long Ez N147AM 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:31 AM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


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From: Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
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Cc: Creighton King <cking@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Ryszard Zadow
 

I apologize for missing that response, thank you. That fills in a gap. Now to figure out how a "totaled" aircraft made it to Brazil... hmmm

RZ

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:02:20 AM CDT, Aziz Musa upperglass747@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

I answered you once and here it is again. Dana Byerley was my hangar mate at Tooele, UT. We both were coming back from Kanab twelve years ago, I in my Long and Dana in the Very ez, when Dana had an engine out outside Tooele due to induction ice as the investigator called it. There was heavy thunderstorm activity right above the airport. It was totaled and Dana walked away with very minor injuries. I met Werner when he delivered the airplane to Dana about a year earlier.
Aziz Musa
Long Ez N147AM 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:31 AM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


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To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@...>
Cc: Creighton King <cking@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Aziz Musa <upperglass747@...>
 

I answered you once and here it is again. Dana Byerley was my hangar mate at Tooele, UT. We both were coming back from Kanab twelve years ago, I in my Long and Dana in the Very ez, when Dana had an engine out outside Tooele due to induction ice as the investigator called it. There was heavy thunderstorm activity right above the airport. It was totaled and Dana walked away with very minor injuries. I met Werner when he delivered the airplane to Dana about a year earlier.
Aziz Musa
Long Ez N147AM 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:31 AM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Creighton King <cking@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Ryszard Zadow
 

Thanks for the help Ron and Tom. I'm asking because I've been contacted by a Pilot in Brazil who say's the airplane is down there and he wants to know if he should buy it. The mystery is what happened to it between Paul's ownership and it getting to Brazil, if it's actually Pauls airplane that's down there.

RAFE gets contacted regularly from people looking for advice on acquitting an EZ. We're not brokering anything at all. That's not our goal. I often direct them to those I know that can help them, but occasionally one piques my interest. Unlike your typical spam -can prepurchase research I tell people looking at an EZ that this is often more like detective work. The first question to ask is "who built it". Few of these are built in a vacuum. Someone knows someone who can help vet the machine.

Anyone heard of D. Byerly in Sandy UT? I recognize the name of the last A&P to sign off the last CI in the logbook but the trial ends there .. with no dots to connect to Brazil.

Ryszard

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:34:18 PM CDT, Ron Springer ron228rj@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Before he had a Long-EZ, Paul had a VariEze that he built. By the way, that is "ace pilot" Paul Werner as stated in the video.


Ron

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

According to its operating limitations and all the other documentation I’ve seen it’s a Varieze. 

On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:24, Tom Smith TRCSmith@aol..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Are you sure it's not a Long EZ?? I did his condition inspections years ago, and don't recall it a Variez.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


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To: Canard Aviators <canard-aviators@...>
Cc: Creighton King <cking@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: [c-a] Help getting info on Werner Varieze

Looking for information on a Varieze built by

Paul Werner
22 Bermuda Harbor Blvd
Novato Ca. 94949

It was apparently later owned by

D. Byerley
1889 Alla Danna Way
Sandy UT, 84093



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Re: EZ painting

ARGOLDMAN@...
 

Rolling and tipping seems to be a great, clean and effective solution. It is used on the topsides (part above the water) on large yachts and from what I have seen equals spray-on is less expensive (less material) cleaner (no paint booth necessary) and requires only a special type of roller (not home depot kind) and a good quality brush. The only problem, for me, is that I am a solo builder and to get best effect you need another person to roll or tip, with the tipping happening very shortly after the roll on. It is done in small segments, just moving along the piece until done.

I am seriously considering just rolling on primer since it is sanded after application. Still pondering how i can do the roll and tip although that is not out of the question. (I do have two arms)

Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] EZ painting

 
Rich wrote:
Consider rolling and tipping

Definitely something to consider.  It looks to me like a beginner might get a nicer finish with "rolling and tipping" vs. spraying.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


(No subject)

Bob Holliston
 



On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:52 AM Craig Gearhart longezn911gg@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

yellow bellied since it was new in 2001

Craig Gearhart
N911GG



On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:40 AM, B Smith bsmith51@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Always the weekend after Labor Day. 




On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:23 PM Tom Smith TRCSmith@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

So when is the fly-inn to Hood river??



Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


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From: Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2019 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] Fwd:



There are three canards at the Hood River, Or. airport, A Varieze and two LongEZ's. I was the only white guy till now - all three yellow now. This way we can blame shit on the other two LOL. 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:43 AM skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 
I care. Looks great, even if its breaking with the white tradition. I think Vinyl is modern way to go. Is that another yellow plane in front of Speedy? I guess now there are 3 or 4 yellow canards.
--Jose


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 

'Case anyone cares, I finally found time to paint my plane after 6 years of flying in white primer. It's chrome yellow with a lime green top and stripes. The lime green is a vinyl wrap so I can change colors if I want or pull it off and have an all yellow airplane. The numbers and letters were laser cut so the yellow shows through. Working with the wrap was all new to me so I got to (sort of) learn a new skill, thank you YouTube. The wrap is more enjoyable to apply than the paint. BTW, the 2" numbers are legal on designs this old and you can't read them from 40' away. The "X" after the "N" is also legal and you don't have to have the experimental sticker with it on there.. 











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Re: EZ painting

Andrew Anunson
 

Rich wrote:
Consider rolling and tipping

Definitely something to consider.  It looks to me like a beginner might get a nicer finish with "rolling and tipping" vs. spraying.

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

nosedragger48154
 

OMG. Is Tim correct on this one!  Best story I have got is with my buddy Chris Richards, this goes back a few years ago, He had brought out his newly refinished I believe 1968 Firebird, it was beautiful!  I said to Chris, WHO did the paint job?  Chris looked at me with a really weird look and said “who cares, I did the body work”!  Well I never forgot that and when I started the body work on my VariEze I began to realize just exactly what Chris had meant by his comment.  When I was about finished with the body work and putting the plane in primer, I ran into Chris at the airport one day and told him I owed him an apology!  Another weird look and he said “for what”?  I said “do you remember when…..”?  He said “yeah”, and then I said “well I know now just exactly what you meant that day and I have learned a very valuable lesson”.  Being Chris he looked me square in the eye and said that there was no apology necessary with a big smile on his face.  Moral to the story, the more experience you get in building these planes or anything for that matter the greater your appreciation for the effort put out when you see it!

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike Scovel

SE Michigan

VariEze

 

Mbl     (313) 608-7202

 

Email   ezdriver@...

 

 

From: cozy_builders@... On Behalf Of Tim Andres
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 6:24 PM
To: canard-aviators@...
Cc: Cozy Builders
Subject: Re: [c-a] Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

 

You should guide coat it and block sand after prime, if you do you'll find plenty of new flaws you didn't know about. 

Painting is the easy part, its the work you put in beforehand that makes the paint job. 

Tim Andres

 


On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Tim Andres wrote:

Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

 

What do you fill with after prime?

 

 

Kent Ashton wrote:

I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

 

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.

 

 

Greg Norman wrote:

I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

 

OK Sounds Great!!!

 

 

Tom Brusehaver wrote:

If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

 

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....

 

 

Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?

Andrew Anunson

 

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Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Andrew Anunson
 

Jack Prock wrote:
I just went through the pain of painting my plane for the second time. The first time the paint job really sucked. Here are the things that I learned and did

Thank you for your excellent post Jack!  the information from you and others will help get some of us over the hump... we can do this!
We are spoiled by the excellent EZ/Cozy plans and I wish their was an educational chapter on painting.

Sincerely,
Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273
Chapter 25
Pound, VA


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longezn911gg
 

yellow bellied since it was new in 2001

Craig Gearhart
N911GG



On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:40 AM, B Smith bsmith51@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Always the weekend after Labor Day. 




On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:23 PM Tom Smith TRCSmith@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 

So when is the fly-inn to Hood river??



Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


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From: Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...>
To: canard <canard-aviators@...>
Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2019 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a] Fwd:



There are three canards at the Hood River, Or. airport, A Varieze and two LongEZ's. I was the only white guy till now - all three yellow now. This way we can blame shit on the other two LOL. 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:43 AM skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 
I care. Looks great, even if its breaking with the white tradition. I think Vinyl is modern way to go. Is that another yellow plane in front of Speedy? I guess now there are 3 or 4 yellow canards.
--Jose


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 

'Case anyone cares, I finally found time to paint my plane after 6 years of flying in white primer. It's chrome yellow with a lime green top and stripes. The lime green is a vinyl wrap so I can change colors if I want or pull it off and have an all yellow airplane. The numbers and letters were laser cut so the yellow shows through. Working with the wrap was all new to me so I got to (sort of) learn a new skill, thank you YouTube. The wrap is more enjoyable to apply than the paint. BTW, the 2" numbers are legal on designs this old and you can't read them from 40' away. The "X" after the "N" is also legal and you don't have to have the experimental sticker with it on there.. 











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Re: EZ painting

Harley Dixon
 

Also at West Marine is their own brand "SeaGlossPro". This is what I used on my plane. It is cheaper than the Pettit brand, and the interesting thing is that is IDENTICAL to the Pettit paint!  The back of the label is identical word for word to the back label of the Pettit, including the Pettit name, contact info and address!

As has been said, VERY easy to apply with a roller, and just be sure to go over it lightly with a fine brush to remove the bubbles.  Takes a long time to set completely which, I guess, is how it gets it's high gloss, smooth finish.

Harley Dixon
Long EZ N28EZ


On 8/5/2019 11:04 PM, Steve Stearns steve@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
Jerry asked, "Where do I get this paint?"


It's boat paint.

Steve Stearns
O235 Longeze N45FC ~1500 Hrs.
Boulder/Longmont CO


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Phil Kriley
 

Great advice everyone!  Thank you!

Phil Kriley

On Aug 5, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Jack jax38@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I just went through the pain of painting my plane for the second time. The first time the paint job really sucked. Here are the things that I learned and did. This is not the only way to do things, this is just my experience.

The first key is prepping the surface. Use a flashlight in low light at a really low angle, and all those little imperfections will just pop out.

Bought a good pressure pot paint gun. I have used several gravity feed guns, but painting upside down under the wings and fuselage really causes these to have issues. The first pressure pot gun I bought from Harbor Freight was piece of junk. Leaked from every connection. After several frustrating hours, I tossed it in the garbage, don't waste your money. (This was part of the first paint job being horrible)

The one I purchased and recommend is:

A good compressor is a must. I then put a pressure regulator on the output of the compressor. This may not be necessary, because the gun itself has an air output limiter, but I had it so I threw that on.

I then had to learn technique and tune the setup. I found a video online that talked about practicing with water based acrylic paint from the craft store. $10 a gallon, and water based. I bought some of that and added some water to thin it and got a bunch of cardboard to practice on. This worked out great, highly recommend this for anyone trying to learn to paint. Cheap, no noxious fumes, completely safe, and clean up with water. I spent over an hour spraying with different pressures and paint flow.

I finally settled on 15psi in the paint pot, and 30 psi from the compressor. The two controls on the gun had wide open air output and almost wide open paint output.

Used PPG paint and mixed according to their instructions.

The paint job turned out great. I still had a few dips and a sag, but hey, I'm an amateur. With a little light sanding and some wet sanding a a few places, it will look fantastic.

This worked for me... your mileage may vary.

Jack Prock



On Monday, August 5, 2019, 1:18:43 PM PDT, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Phil,

I have a car paint store nearby that gives lessons. Usually local high schools have weekend or evening 6 week classes for things like that. 

With practice you cam shoot paint well. All the car paint systems give ratios of reducer, hardener, etc online and the proper gun and pressure or the store can tell you. 

Greg Norman

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Phil Kriley greilich@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill.....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: EZ painting

Steve Stearns
 

Jerry asked, "Where do I get this paint?"


It's boat paint.

Steve Stearns
O235 Longeze N45FC ~1500 Hrs.
Boulder/Longmont CO


Re: EZ painting

A R Goldman <ARGOLDMAN@...>
 

If memory serves me correctly, Petit is a paint for  those of the yachting persuasion. Try Jamestown distributors. I think that they are selling it for 98.71 per gallon


They have all kinds of great paints and a library of YouTube how to videos

Consider rolling and tipping

Rich


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:46 PM, jerry hardesty horselover93103@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Where do I get this paint?

Jerry Hardesty
211LE

On Friday, August 2, 2019, 7:52:42 AM PDT, Ian lisnion@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Hi guys,

I painted my main gear fairings and wheel pants with Petit EZpoxy and had great results. It's a miracle how this stuff smooths itself out. From 5 feet away it looks great. The beauty is it goes on with foam rollers from Home Depot and all the paint goes on the plane. My airport frowns on spraying as well. I wrote this up in central states a few years ago and can forward that article once I get home in a week or so.

I'm on the road for work now and don't have my laptop with me.

Ion
0-320 Long EZ 1570 hrs.



Re: EZ painting

paul comte
 


Pettit is popular with the yachting set.  West Marine (currently advertising price matching) stocks (in warehouse) pretty much their complete line as do other vendors. Here is a link to a color chart including their two new shades of white. (No vendor recommendations- just the first chart I found.

Their new product "Wet Edge" looks interesting.  I may have to try that paint on a chunk of cut up boat and leave it out in the sun...

I did tip and roll (backwards name!) on a 36' mast, learned achieving an even coat (meaning thickness) is important.  A key to that is that to "paint back to the wet" as opposed to refilling the roller and continuing on from where you left off.  This gets you back to your wet edge with less paint on the roller, without applying too much paint in one area.  Smoothing out too much paint takes time you won't have, your edges get dry etc.

Pettit offers both Brushing and Spraying thinners.

Please note that they do recommend cleaning "fiberglass" with their "Brushing Thinner".  I would want to test those thinners on my materials before applying it as a cleaning de-greaser or thinning agent.

To build your skill and confidence, paint everything you own that needs painting and maybe try some large area piece like a car hood.  Then practice "corrections" on that item.  You should get comfortable with the method in a couple hours.

Very Best Regards, Paul
Finishing a long stalled long project


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

jax38
 

I just went through the pain of painting my plane for the second time. The first time the paint job really sucked. Here are the things that I learned and did. This is not the only way to do things, this is just my experience.

The first key is prepping the surface. Use a flashlight in low light at a really low angle, and all those little imperfections will just pop out.

Bought a good pressure pot paint gun. I have used several gravity feed guns, but painting upside down under the wings and fuselage really causes these to have issues. The first pressure pot gun I bought from Harbor Freight was piece of junk. Leaked from every connection. After several frustrating hours, I tossed it in the garbage, don't waste your money. (This was part of the first paint job being horrible)

The one I purchased and recommend is:

A good compressor is a must. I then put a pressure regulator on the output of the compressor. This may not be necessary, because the gun itself has an air output limiter, but I had it so I threw that on.

I then had to learn technique and tune the setup. I found a video online that talked about practicing with water based acrylic paint from the craft store. $10 a gallon, and water based. I bought some of that and added some water to thin it and got a bunch of cardboard to practice on. This worked out great, highly recommend this for anyone trying to learn to paint. Cheap, no noxious fumes, completely safe, and clean up with water. I spent over an hour spraying with different pressures and paint flow.

I finally settled on 15psi in the paint pot, and 30 psi from the compressor. The two controls on the gun had wide open air output and almost wide open paint output.

Used PPG paint and mixed according to their instructions.

The paint job turned out great. I still had a few dips and a sag, but hey, I'm an amateur. With a little light sanding and some wet sanding a a few places, it will look fantastic.

This worked for me... your mileage may vary.

Jack Prock



On Monday, August 5, 2019, 1:18:43 PM PDT, Gnorm76 gnorm76@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Phil,

I have a car paint store nearby that gives lessons. Usually local high schools have weekend or evening 6 week classes for things like that. 

With practice you cam shoot paint well. All the car paint systems give ratios of reducer, hardener, etc online and the proper gun and pressure or the store can tell you. 

Greg Norman

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Phil Kriley greilich@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: EZ painting

jerry hardesty <horselover93103@...>
 

Where do I get this paint?

Jerry Hardesty
211LE

On Friday, August 2, 2019, 7:52:42 AM PDT, Ian lisnion@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Hi guys,

I painted my main gear fairings and wheel pants with Petit EZpoxy and had great results. It's a miracle how this stuff smooths itself out. From 5 feet away it looks great. The beauty is it goes on with foam rollers from Home Depot and all the paint goes on the plane. My airport frowns on spraying as well. I wrote this up in central states a few years ago and can forward that article once I get home in a week or so.

I'm on the road for work now and don't have my laptop with me.

Ion
0-320 Long EZ 1570 hrs.



Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Greg Norman
 

Phil,
I have a car paint store nearby that gives lessons. Usually local high schools have weekend or evening 6 week classes for things like that. 

With practice you cam shoot paint well. All the car paint systems give ratios of reducer, hardener, etc online and the proper gun and pressure or the store can tell you. 

Greg Norman

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Phil Kriley greilich@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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