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Re: Panel letters

Torger Totusek
 

Hi,

Just buy yourself a Brother’s label maker and make your own. That is what I do. You can make new labels as you change things.

Torger T
Long-EZ 606TT
FUL

On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Gnorm76 gnorm76@gmail.com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?

Greg Norman

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Re: COZY: Panel letters

Nick U
 

If you planning a complete panel design (instead of one or two switches) , I found it easiest to design the lettering/placards you want to add to the various locations,  (add color if you wish),  take the design to a sign shop and have them print it out for you on vinyl.   You then place the vinyl in the intended locations, then clear coat the entire panel which seals the lettering onto the panel.   A 8.5x11 sheet will set you back less than $20.

From experience, I found the sign shop will place a clear coat (gloss or flat) on the printout to protect the lettering.   You may or may not what this.  If you have switches bolted through the panel, the compression of the nut will cause a slight bubble around the switch (separation of the clear from the backing).  If you are using it just for a placard, it doesn’t matter.   

If you bolting a switch then just ask them to leave the clear layer off, spray on a thin layer of clear coat over the lettering to protect it during application, and after applied to the panel add an additional layer of clear coat to protect everything and seal the vinyl onto the surface..   

It sounds complex, but is actually very easy to do and leaves you with a great looking panel.



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LongEZ N29TM
Charleston, SC www.nickugolini.com  
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On Jul 12, 2019, at 12:25 PM, B Smith bsmith51@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


Thanks for bringing this up.  I have owned a P-touch for years and never knew such tapes - now on order - were an option.  Now, to get some crayon remover 😀.

Bruce Smith
LEZ

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:56 AM Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 



On 7/12/2019 10:24 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] 
wrote:
> I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.

Well, I don't know about "Brother-T Touch", but, I found "Brother 
P-Touch" and for $30 on Amazon. I spent $30 for two sets of 6 words 
last week. Sure would have bought the label maker, and most likely 
still will do so.

Still don't know what type of tapes it can use. It does mention wire 
labeling.

Thanks for the pointer.

-- 
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486




Re: COZY: Panel letters

besmith51
 

Thanks for bringing this up.  I have owned a P-touch for years and never knew such tapes - now on order - were an option.  Now, to get some crayon remover 😀.

Bruce Smith
LEZ


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:56 AM Dave Froble davef@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 



On 7/12/2019 10:24 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators]
wrote:
> I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.

Well, I don't know about "Brother-T Touch", but, I found "Brother
P-Touch" and for $30 on Amazon. I spent $30 for two sets of 6 words
last week. Sure would have bought the label maker, and most likely
still will do so.

Still don't know what type of tapes it can use. It does mention wire
labeling.

Thanks for the pointer.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: COZY: Panel letters

KEN4ZZ
 

I have the T-touch as well. Very pleased w/ its output. It has a lot of capabilities so be careful to NOT lose the instruction sheet.

There are all types of tapes available. I have a flat black panel and their black tape w/ white letters blends in very well.

Cautionary note: Over the years I've owned 3 different Dymo brand label makers. The screens died on all 3 after a year or two.?? That's why I chose the Brother unit and so far so good.

Ken


On 7/12/2019 10:29 AM, skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??
Ive been playing with Brother T-touch labels. Black on clear and also white on clear. I think they work very nicely. Some of the off brand, generic, T-touch labels are reported to not stick well so I used only the Actual OEM Brother label cassettes. I've also heard you can clear coat these labels, but I have not done that yet.??
--Jose


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 10:25 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??
I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.



> On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Gnorm76 wrote:
>
> I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?
>
> Greg Norman
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Re: COZY: Panel letters

aviationeyes
 

Correction.....P-touch, TZe tape, such as white on clear #TZe-135 and black on clear #TZe-131. 
--Jose


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 11:29 AM, skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 


Ive been playing with Brother T-touch labels. Black on clear and also white on clear. I think they work very nicely. Some of the off brand, generic, T-touch labels are reported to not stick well so I used only the Actual OEM Brother label cassettes. I've also heard you can clear coat these labels, but I have not done that yet. 
--Jose


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 10:25 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 


I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.



> On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Gnorm76 wrote:
>
> I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?
>
> Greg Norman
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Re: COZY: Panel letters

aviationeyes
 

Ive been playing with Brother T-touch labels. Black on clear and also white on clear. I think they work very nicely. Some of the off brand, generic, T-touch labels are reported to not stick well so I used only the Actual OEM Brother label cassettes. I've also heard you can clear coat these labels, but I have not done that yet. 
--Jose


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 10:25 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 

I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.



> On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Gnorm76 wrote:
>
> I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?
>
> Greg Norman
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Re: COZY: Panel letters

nosedragger48154
 

Hi, David, just go to Office Max, they have MANY different styles of tape for the machine.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike Scovel

SE Michigan

VariEze

 

Mbl     (313) 608-7202

 

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On 7/12/2019 10:24 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@... [canard-aviators]
wrote:
> I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.

Well, I don't know about "Brother-T Touch", but, I found "Brother
P-Touch" and for $30 on Amazon. I spent $30 for two sets of 6 words
last week. Sure would have bought the label maker, and most likely
still will do so.

Still don't know what type of tapes it can use. It does mention wire
labeling.

Thanks for the pointer.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: Panel letters

nosedragger48154
 

Do it yourself!  Not hard to do, not that expensive and doesn’t look bad.

 

Mike

 

From: canard-aviators@...
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Canard Aviators ; Cozy Builders
Subject: [c-a] Panel letters

 

 

I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?

Greg Norman


Re: COZY: Panel letters

David A Froble
 

On 7/12/2019 10:24 AM, DONALD BERLIN vette164@msn.com [canard-aviators] wrote:
I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.
Well, I don't know about "Brother-T Touch", but, I found "Brother P-Touch" and for $30 on Amazon. I spent $30 for two sets of 6 words last week. Sure would have bought the label maker, and most likely still will do so.

Still don't know what type of tapes it can use. It does mention wire labeling.

Thanks for the pointer.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: Panel letters

Bruce Hughes
 

Hi Greg

I went through all of that, years ago.
Always had a crappy looking panel.

Finally I got to the intermediate level.
I am not proud of the way the panel looks
but it is fair AND can be changed anytime.

I don't know how many times I have
changed instruments or location of them.
I probably will make one more change soon.
Thecompass will be moved to the usual
homebuilders' locatioon and the chronometer
will go in the empty spot.

The company called "Tags" here makes plastic
name labels of any size, any lettering. They
charge by the size and the number of letters.
Everything that the FAA requires and some
other things are labeled. I use a dremel
tool to cut the plates that they make, which
saves a lot of money, I guess. Then contact
cement is put on the back of the label and the
I.P. or wall of the cockpit. In 15 minutes the
label is put on. If it is not straight, you use
a thin blade knife to remove it and try again.

IF I ever get the "final" panel designed, I will
get a professional panel made and they can
label it. It will look good, I think, but it is
too early to do that. I have an estimate of
about $400 for that job but it will be $400
wasted, if I change my mind.

I am so old tat I can see me trying to sell the
Longeze soon. When I try to sell, I want a
good looking panel but not now.

This not a recommendation; People have told
me that I don't know anything about airplanes.
It is just the way mine is for now.

Bruce Hughes

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From: Gnorm76 gnorm76@gmail.com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [c-a] Panel letters

I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?

Greg Norman

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Re: COZY: Panel letters

DB
 

I bought the Brother-T Touch machine for $35.00 and did white letters on a clear background. You can buy it at Office Max or Amazon.

On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Gnorm76 <gnorm76@gmail.com> wrote:

I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?

Greg Norman

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Panel letters

Greg Norman
 

I see some great panels out there and looked into all ways of doing it myself and others. Silk screen, complete overlay, etching, etc. Well until I really get settled in on the perfect layout I decided to just go with white panel letters on clear background. Simple right? Im being quoted $60 a sheet an $90 for two. Is there anyone cheaper?

Greg Norman


Re: Defiant leaky brakes

Bruce Hughes
 

Bob and Ryszard:

I have always used DOT5 because a friend
nearly lost his Longeze after a landing and
too much braking.   He had some brake fluid
FLOWING out and a fire.   Got a heavy
coat around it.

I have Grove brakes.   Checked with them.
The seals are Viton so I guess it is safe.
Grove will not recommend DOT 5 because
they could get approval (from the FAA ?)
for anything but the dangerous red crap.
There is another FAA mistake/failure.

I wonder how many other buers use DOT 5

Bruce Hughes



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From: ryszardzadow@... [canard-aviators]
To: Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators]
Sent: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:51:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [c-a] Defiant leaky brakes







Ditto!

https://www.rutanaircraftflyingexperience.org/single-post/2017/02/10/EZ-3-The-story


On Monday, July 8, 2019, 7:47:02 PM CDT, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 


I've never put that flammable red crap in any of my planes and never will. Dot 5 is the only way to go. I have Cleveland's and use 50 cent NAPA O-rings so change them out every 500 hours or so (takes about 15 minutes when changing pads). After that I put a couple of reversible bar clamps between the thigh rest and brake pedal and pump them up to 100 pounds or so. Let sit overnight, next day check for leaks. no leaks ever. So far..... so good. 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:29 PM skyeyecorp@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 


Hi John,
My experience is with single puck Clevelands on my LongEz. My brakes use the MS28775 O-rings in a slightly smaller size.. However, I replaced the originally spec'd Buna-N O-rings for Viton O-rings. Viton has superior high heat tolerance. When I did my research, others had reported contacting Parker-Hannifin and the tech there had no issues against using Viton.

Did you verify if the leak is from the O-ring, the bleeder, or the fittings? I suppose you use silicone based brake fluid because it is not hygroscopic and less flammable than the standard aviation 5606 fluid. Maybe that is why you have leaks since the system is designed for the standard fluid, not the DOT5. In my opinion, aircraft should not use DOT5 because it is not compatible (miscible) with the standard red fluid and, if getting help from an A&P away from home base, he may add standard fluid and cause a bad situation for you. I use a less common, but compatible aviation fluid, spec'd as #83282. Its also known as Aeroshell #31 or Rayco #782. It is red, 100% compatible with the standard 5606 aviation brake fluid, but has a much higher flash point.
--Jose


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, at 2:39 PM, john toelaer johntoelaer@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
  ... but I made a logbook entry that the o-ring is MS28775-222
Now I am ready to fly but one piston is leaking.   I replaced the Ms28775-222 with a new one from aircraft spruce but no joy. ...when I get back to the hangar I had overheated the good brake and it was leaking also.
additional info:
I use dot 5 silicone brake fluid.  Aircraft Spruce sells a Ms28775=222 for 65 cents and also a Parker -Hannefin equivalet for about 20 bucks.  I ordered
both because the cheap one has a speck thickness of 0.125 but the expensive one is 0.139 thick (may be within the + or minus tolerance, don't know)
Any help would be appreciated.
N138EZ





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Re: Defiant leaky brakes

KEN4ZZ
 

Same thing happened to me as well.?? Over hauled calipers in 2017, leaking right brake spring 2017.?? To heck w/ overpriced MS-whatever buna.?? Went w/ Viton.?? OK so far.

Ken


On 7/11/2019 2:25 PM, goofyguy77@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??

I had a leaky set of caliper O rings myself a few weeks back. It's irritating in that I overhauled the calipers back in 2017 and installed the correct MS series part sourced from Spruce.??(I did install the pistons correctly, not reversed). The only thing I can figure is that these were some defective O rings..so much for certification = quality...

??I already have the plane back in service but was wondering if anyone here has ever thought to try installing the more modern X rings (http://catalog.precisionassoc.com/category/precision-associates-inc-x-ring?? although there are other sources) in lieu of the old style MS series O rings? These have been out since at least the 80s and I first encountered them in high quality motorcycle chain. They work very well at sealing and are similar to caliper seals in most any automotive caliper I have ever opened up.


Calipers are Cleveland 30-9 and I use Aeroshell 5606 A fluid, NEVER DOT5...


///Gene Cockrell


Re: First Flights after Lycoming Install [1 Attachment]

Aviating Fool
 

I used an old cylinder and made glass layups with JB Weld for the epoxy.  Then you can trim them to fit and paint.  Something you can't do with the silicone old style.


Re: Long EZ OSH 40th anniversary shirts

Tom Smith <TRCSmith@...>
 

I want an XL. I fit just fine in mine.



Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators]
To: canard-aviators
Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2019 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [c-a] Re: Long EZ OSH 40th anniversary shirts



Who is flying a long that is XL or XXL ? ? !  !  = )

GM




On Jul 10, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Ken Swain ken4zz@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 
Suggest you check for one of his scheduled appearances and catch him before / after.
On 7/10/2019 7:29 PM, Ryan Kyzar kyzarcozy@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
??
Glad to see several people are interested in the shirts! They don???t arrive until just before I leave for OSH. I made them for the 40th anniversary at OSH, so I want to make sure I have as many as possible there. If I run out, I???ll definitely consider a second order for mail orders. Thanks for understanding.??

Also, does anyone know a way I could get a gift shirt to Burt Rutan at OSH? Also what size he might be. Thanks





Re: Defiant leaky brakes

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Gene Cockrell wrote :

>... It's irritating in that I overhauled the calipers back in 2017...

> The only thing I can figure is that these were some defective O rings..so much for certification = quality...


So if your caliper bore is scored, it will damage the O-ring over time. It may not be the O-Ring's fault.


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Copyright © 2019                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: Defiant leaky brakes

Gene
 

I had a leaky set of caliper O rings myself a few weeks back. It's irritating in that I overhauled the calipers back in 2017 and installed the correct MS series part sourced from Spruce. (I did install the pistons correctly, not reversed). The only thing I can figure is that these were some defective O rings..so much for certification = quality...

 I already have the plane back in service but was wondering if anyone here has ever thought to try installing the more modern X rings (http://catalog.precisionassoc.com/category/precision-associates-inc-x-ring  although there are other sources) in lieu of the old style MS series O rings? These have been out since at least the 80s and I first encountered them in high quality motorcycle chain. They work very well at sealing and are similar to caliper seals in most any automotive caliper I have ever opened up.


Calipers are Cleveland 30-9 and I use Aeroshell 5606 A fluid, NEVER DOT5...


///Gene Cockrell


Re: Long EZ OSH 40th anniversary shirts

Greg Gullikson
 

Thanks Joe. Not all EZ flyers/builders have slight physiques.  I have been in my EZ enough to know I fit fine. 😜


On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:29 AM, ezejoe@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Burt will take an XL shirt size.

-Joe Person

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