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Re: COZY: Instrument Panel

lezdreamer
 

I would highly recommend buying at least 1 Garmin G5 (~$1200) or similar to it.  What happens if your iPad freezes and they do freezes on approach to landing.  These are pitch sensitive airplanes and if you can’t tell your airspeed then it could be a bad day.

Robert
KAWO, Long Ez

On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Ben Bennett <benbenne@...> wrote:

I have taken a different approach for my instrument panel.  I can not afford a Garmin or Dynon glass panel.  I am going to be using 2 ipad's installed in the panel that will be removal but will be powered with aircraft power. I am using Wingbug to provide my 6 pack of instruments which displays on the ipad.  The Wingbug was designed for use on sport type of aircraft attached to a wing strut.  It transmits wi-fi to the ipad and is battery powered.  I am working with the Wingbug guys to connect mine directly to my aircraft power and mount it in the nose cone of my Cozy.  I using a Stratus 3 ESGi for my transponder and ADSB in/out.  I will be using a Trig TY96/A radio.

I would appreciate comment positive and negative about my approach.

Thanks,
Ben Bennett

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Instrument Panel

Ben Bennett
 

I have taken a different approach for my instrument panel.  I can not afford a Garmin or Dynon glass panel.  I am going to be using 2 ipad's installed in the panel that will be removal but will be powered with aircraft power. I am using Wingbug to provide my 6 pack of instruments which displays on the ipad.  The Wingbug was designed for use on sport type of aircraft attached to a wing strut.  It transmits wi-fi to the ipad and is battery powered.  I am working with the Wingbug guys to connect mine directly to my aircraft power and mount it in the nose cone of my Cozy.  I using a Stratus 3 ESGi for my transponder and ADSB in/out.  I will be using a Trig TY96/A radio.

I would appreciate comment positive and negative about my approach.

Thanks,
Ben Bennett


Re: modifing the upper surface between canopy lip and upper cowling

Mike Satchell
 

Bruce,


Mike Arnold's process:
https://youtu.be/qStFDcZs5Og?t=838

HTH,
Mike Satchell Cozy #1537




On 8/2/2019 9:32 AM, Bruce Hughes ezcopilot@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 
Group:

Years ago I bought a "90% finished"
project.  The entire structure was
done before I got it.  But I did make
cowling.  It is much too heavy.  My
crappy cowling will be replaced some
way to reduce the total weight.

I bought a good replacement upper
cowling.

The cowling can be used but I have
to modify the area between the
canopy mating edge and the
cowling lip, with foam and
fiberglass as it is 3/4" too low
on the top.

Looked through the RAF plans very
carefully.   I cannot find any info on
the construction of the area.

It must be there.   Where ?

I need to raise the surface from 3/4"
on the upper surface to less to none
on the sides.  I am thinking of a
flexible 3/4" or 1" sheet, wrapped
over the wet epoxy covered surface
and let set up, then sanded to shape.
Is this possible with polyurethane
foam?      Or polystyrene foam ?

I think blue styrofoam is too stiff
to get a concave surface and does
now sand to a concave shape.

I will appreciate very much any
comments.

I am sorry that my computer sends
2 copies of this.   I'll try to fix that.

Bruce Hughes



(No subject)

aviationeyes
 

I care. Looks great, even if its breaking with the white tradition. I think Vinyl is modern way to go. Is that another yellow plane in front of Speedy? I guess now there are 3 or 4 yellow canards.
--Jose


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Bob Holliston bob.holliston@... [canard-aviators] wrote:
 


'Case anyone cares, I finally found time to paint my plane after 6 years of flying in white primer. It's chrome yellow with a lime green top and stripes. The lime green is a vinyl wrap so I can change colors if I want or pull it off and have an all yellow airplane. The numbers and letters were laser cut so the yellow shows through. Working with the wrap was all new to me so I got to (sort of) learn a new skill, thank you YouTube. The wrap is more enjoyable to apply than the paint. BTW, the 2" numbers are legal on designs this old and you can't read them from 40' away. The "X" after the "N" is also legal and you don't have to have the experimental sticker with it on there.. 











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modifing the upper surface between canopy lip and upper cowling

Bruce Hughes
 

Group:

Years ago I bought a "90% finished"
project.  The entire structure was
done before I got it.  But I did make
cowling.  It is much too heavy.  My
crappy cowling will be replaced some
way to reduce the total weight.

I bought a good replacement upper
cowling.

The cowling can be used but I have
to modify the area between the
canopy mating edge and the
cowling lip, with foam and
fiberglass as it is 3/4" too low
on the top.

Looked through the RAF plans very
carefully.   I cannot find any info on
the construction of the area.

It must be there.   Where ?

I need to raise the surface from 3/4"
on the upper surface to less to none
on the sides.  I am thinking of a
flexible 3/4" or 1" sheet, wrapped
over the wet epoxy covered surface
and let set up, then sanded to shape.
Is this possible with polyurethane
foam?      Or polystyrene foam ?

I think blue styrofoam is too stiff
to get a concave surface and does
now sand to a concave shape.

I will appreciate very much any
comments.

I am sorry that my computer sends
2 copies of this.   I'll try to fix that.

Bruce Hughes


EZ painting

Ian <lisnion@...>
 

Hi guys,

I painted my main gear fairings and wheel pants with Petit EZpoxy and had great results. It's a miracle how this stuff smooths itself out. From 5 feet away it looks great. The beauty is it goes on with foam rollers from Home Depot and all the paint goes on the plane. My airport frowns on spraying as well. I wrote this up in central states a few years ago and can forward that article once I get home in a week or so.

I'm on the road for work now and don't have my laptop with me.

Ion
0-320 Long EZ 1570 hrs.


Re: COZY: Slow Rolling a Canard

Leif Johnson
 

Couple things. A slow roll is not an easy maneuver. It is certainly not like an aileron roll where you can be fairly ballistic, throw the stick to the side and comfortably watch the world flip around.  When done properly a slow roll will take you through positive one, through negative one, and back to positive one g. The rudder inputs are as required to keep the nose from falling during the knife edge periods, i. e. top rudder as required. This means the rudder inputs are cross controlled and coordinated controlled depending on where you are in the maneuver. They swap. This would be a very tricky maneuver to perform in our EZs.  For most if not all of us it would get very quiet and messy half way through unless equipped with inverted fuel and oil. Also, not speaking for everyone, but my Varieze requires pro roll rudder to overcome the incredible dampening effects of sweep. I would be very concerned that my roll rate would slow to near zero during the first 180 def of roll with top rudder being opposite my stick input.  I have found with a good entry speed and a good nose high start, I can do a nice graceful fairly slow roll with pro rudder, keeping positive the whole time, ending nose low, but this is not a slow roll. Rather it is just a slower aileron roll.  Just be careful out there. Remember, if you ever botch a maneuver finding yourself nose low beyond 90 deg of bank, especially at higher speed,  DO NOT PULL THROUGH!  Roll upright wings level to the nearest horizon, then recover from the dive. For what it’s worth. 
Leif Johnson
VariEze, Race 25, “Speedy”


On Aug 1, 2019, at 23:13, Cameron Garner closed.infinity@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

I'm no aerobatic pilot, but I've done a little aerobatics in trainers. I'm not sure why you would want to throw the aircraft out of balance during a roll? Keep the ball centred. Start with a suitable airspeed and pitch angle to avoid ending up too nose-low and losing altitude.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:52 PM Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...> wrote:
Had a discussion this eve about this. Question was coordinated rudder or opposing rudder during execution?  Disregarding whether is legal or not what is the opinion of those who have actually done rolls?

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Re: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Glenn Charles
 

Not too hard. Just keep pressure low and stay close to minimize overspray. You can blend on the leading edges. Lightly wetsand, then buff finer and finer.

GM




On Aug 1, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

GM wrote:
I painted mine upside down .I'll have to blend top paint in when I get that far.

This sounds like a skill worth having.... 

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


Re: COZY: Slow Rolling a Canard

Cameron Garner
 

I'm no aerobatic pilot, but I've done a little aerobatics in trainers. I'm not sure why you would want to throw the aircraft out of balance during a roll? Keep the ball centred. Start with a suitable airspeed and pitch angle to avoid ending up too nose-low and losing altitude.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:52 PM Keith Spreuer <kspreuer@...> wrote:
Had a discussion this eve about this. Question was coordinated rudder or opposing rudder during execution?  Disregarding whether is legal or not what is the opinion of those who have actually done rolls?

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Slow Rolling a Canard

Keith Spreuer
 

Had a discussion this eve about this. Question was coordinated rudder or opposing rudder during execution?  Disregarding whether is legal or not what is the opinion of those who have actually done rolls?


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

steven pignataro
 

Phil...arent you in south Florida?  I can assist you..  Steve 

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


Anyone can buy a car........only a select few can drive the one they built.


Every saint has a past........every sinner a future.



On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 05:26:20 PM EDT, Phil Kriley greilich@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

A R Goldman <ARGOLDMAN@...>
 

Phil, there are scads of instructional videos on YouTube.  That will give you a knowledge base then a little practice on cardboard. Thinning and handling the paint is vital pressure and dryness of air are also critical

YouTube will help

Also your paint supplier should be a great help

Rich


On Aug 1, 2019, at 3:56 PM, 'Phil Kriley' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: Issues with Dave

clint kramer
 

This group are a little funny with there bandwagon venders. I know I have had problems with the bandwagon venders. It was something that was so obvious and included  everything in black and white with invoices. But with the bandwagon venders there seems to be magic involved. The vender was not an engine shop probably never overhauled a O-200 engine in their life. Did not have an AandP. But i believed the bandwagon and took my plane their. Obviously I had problems there. Could have took my life or my family life. Then let the group know and for some magic reasons it could never be the inexperienced bandwagon vender. They have magic and are all ready experts even though they have no experience or education. The only thing i see from the group is how to hide the information.  Buyer Beware!    Ready to be banned Sincerely your friend


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Bill Allen
 

Here’s a relevant post from Nick Ugolini on painting FYI y’all;


Painting a plane and getting a good finish is hard to do without a reasonable investment in the right equipment but still much cheaper than a $20k paint job..   I originally used a cheap gun (HF) with my air compressor and while the painting was ‘ok’, like you, I have never been really happy with the results.  


After talking to a buddy who worked with a professional airplane painter, I found out he exclusively uses a HVLP system (air turbine) using the 3M PPS cups for the gun and gets consistent outstanding results.   I purchased a Fuji 4 stage turbine with a gravity gun for my next paint ‘education’ experience.   The total cost was less than $1000, and I got 2 guns with the deal.     

I found the problem with my 3 HP compressor type system is it will sometime have water drip out of the spray gun (I do use a refrigerant air dryer), overspray issues and it was more difficult to control the end result.   With a  turbine system, the air is alway has consistent air pressure and is dry.  The warmer air outlet temp (heat of compression) means you have to use a bit more reducer, but it will flash off quickly and there is less chance of runs.   Very little overspray too.    A turbine is more portable (for hangar use) and a 4 stage system allows you a wide variation in paint material which can be sprayed.

There are a number of HPLV manufactures out there such as Graco, Harbor Crap, Centurian, etc.   The main take away from my research is you need to buy a 4 stage air turbine system (higher pressure at the spray gun for heaver paints and finer atomization).   

Additionally I purchased the 3M PPS system allows you to paint at any angle (upside down etc) and allows for very quick cleanup.  I used a earlier version of the system (with fillable bag) which worked ok  on the bottom of the plane but was a bit messy, but this new system is fantastic for cleanup and versatility.  

There are a number of good videos on the web to show you how it is done. 

Turbine paint systems:

3M PPS system

A good 3M training video

Good luck with your painting.    Just remember any paint job always looks good at 170 mph…  

-
Nick Ugolini

LongEZ N29TM
Charleston, SC www.nickugolini.com  
Selling:  Canard Fuel Probes










On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 00:23, Tim Andres <tim2542@...> wrote:
You should guide coat it and block sand after prime, if you do you'll find plenty of new flaws you didn't know about. 
Painting is the easy part, its the work you put in beforehand that makes the paint job. 
Tim Andres


On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Tim Andres
 

You should guide coat it and block sand after prime, if you do you'll find plenty of new flaws you didn't know about. 
Painting is the easy part, its the work you put in beforehand that makes the paint job. 
Tim Andres


On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Anunson macleodm3@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

David A Froble
 

On 8/1/2019 4:56 PM, Phil Kriley greilich@aol.com [canard-aviators] wrote:


I also would like to learn to paint. I bought a good compressor and a
spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can
get with a rattle can. I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year
but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray? Or is it like welding...best left to
the pros?
It's like welding. Practice! Practice! Practice!

Or, leave it to the pros.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Phil Kriley
 

I also would like to learn to paint.  I bought a good compressor and a spray kit from Lowe’s but my results to date are not as good as I can get with a rattle can.  I hoped to attend two sessions at OSH this year but had to miss the Monday sessions.

Where can I learn how to spray?  Or is it like welding...best left to the pros?

Phil Kriley

On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:40 PM, 'Andrew Anunson' via COZY Builders Mailing List <cozy_builders@...> wrote:

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson

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Re: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Andrew Anunson
 

GM wrote:
I painted mine upside down .I'll have to blend top paint in when I get that far.

This sounds like a skill worth having.... 

Thanks,
Andrew Anunson


Re: COZY: Bottom Fuselage Paint

Andrew Anunson
 

Tim Andres wrote:
Prime, sand, inspect, fill, prime, sand, inspect, fill....lather repeat as necessary, so yeah, do that while its upside down.

What do you fill with after prime?


Kent Ashton wrote:
I would certainly paint it upside down.  It’s not fun painting on your back in protective gear, even with a pressurized paint-pot.

Do you recommend a pressure pot system?  I need to Zolatone, Prime, and Paint.  I may want to redo old cars as my next hobby, so I need to learn to paint.


Greg Norman wrote:
I primered mine upside down. Why not prep sand it too.. So much easier on the arms. You can spray color on its belly right side up pretty easy with a good modern gravity spray gun.

OK Sounds Great!!!


Tom Brusehaver wrote:
If the engine stand is oriented right, you can point the nose almost 45 degrees up. Then painting underneath is fairly easy.

Good to know!  I will remeber this for the paint....


Thank You All for your replies.... Do I need to hire a painter or can I pull off a "20 footer" paint job on my own?
Andrew Anunson


Re: Dipstick tube.

Phillip Camarda
 

I'll try and sleeve it with some silicone. It should be as solid as it was originally made.

Use my   PhilCamarda@...   address for future correspondence.

Phil

On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 12:06:46 PM EDT, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] wrote:


 

Phil !

Thanks !  Quite an offer !

I would still have to glue it together though,  right ?

Glenn



On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Phillip Camarda uh1cw2@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:

 

Send me the dipstick housing and I'll machine it to size. Include the dipstick so I can adjust it to the new housing length.

Cover shipping both ways. No charge for the modification. Send me an Email if interested.

Phil Camarda 

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 08:51:59 PM EDT, Regrot regrot@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:


 

Hi Glenn,

What I recall I did was cut out the necessary length, less an inch, then bore a little out of one end and machine down the diameter on the other end so you have a slip fit.  You don't want it too tight a fit because I bonded it together and you want a little bit of a bond line. The two flanges coming together will keep in alignment and you can feel around the perimeter for concentricity while curing.  Obviously this will require you to have a lathe to be able to do the above..

Don't forget you will have to cutoff your dipstick as well. If you don't, and force it you may end up with a bend at the end!! Stuck out tongue closed eyes

Mine is plastic so I don't know what Bill is talking about below unless he has a plastic welder and the material is compatible to do that. I do have a plastic welder but never tried it..

Torger T
Long-EZ 606TT
FUL


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Subject: Re: [c-a] Dipstick tube.



Mine's fine but I think the easiest solid fix is to cut x.x inches out of the center and weld the ends back together, clean well and paint.

Keith

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:53 PM Bill Allen billallensworld@gmail..com [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 
I shortened a too-long Lyco dipstick/tube and it worked fine - I seem to recall that it was a recommended fix in one of the CPs?

Bill Allen

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 18:24, Glen bob gcm2291@... [canard-aviators] <canard-aviators@...> wrote:
 
Dearest Canardians,

(Not to be confused with Canadians),

Looking for a shorter dipstick tube. Mine is 10 1/2 inches long (O-320).

Sticks out of the cowl. Need closer to 6 inch.

Somebody suggested cutting 4 inches out and re-gluing. I'm a little leary of that.

Will it work ?

Any other options?

Glenn


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