MGS H287S (Slow Hardener) Shelf Life


Michael & Michelle O'Grady
 

Just under 2 years ago I ordered 6 gallons of resin plus 12 quarts of the subject hardener. The resin arrived, the hardener did not. After waiting for a couple of weeks I called Aircraft Spruce and notified them of my missing hardener. They sent me 12 replacement quarts. All fine and good. I started using them. I’d say ~3 months later (maybe more) the original subject hardener shipment showed up. No cans were broken, absolutely no leakage, but it looked like the shipment was dragged from California up to Washington. There were a lot of heavily dented cans.

 

I called Aircraft Spruce and said I’d be happy to return them, but they’d have to pay the freight. They told me I would hear from them. Months later we had the same conversation. Finally, they said, you can keep them. They have never been opened and have been sitting in my heated (74 degrees) garage ever since.

 

I now need more resin but would like to use the subject hardener. I tried to reach Gary Hunter without success. Reading one of his presentations I am of the opinion that the hardener in the sealed, temperature-controlled cans is just like new, and I can use it.

 

I am looking for feedback from this very knowledgeable DL. Does anyone have any information on older hardener (~2 years) that has been in a sealed can and stored at 70+ degrees? Can I use these 12 cans of hardener?

 

Thanks,

Mike O’Grady


David A Froble
 

On 7/18/2022 7:06 PM, Michael & Michelle O'Grady wrote:
Just under 2 years ago I ordered 6 gallons of resin plus 12 quarts of the
subject hardener. The resin arrived, the hardener did not. After waiting for a
couple of weeks I called Aircraft Spruce and notified them of my missing
hardener. They sent me 12 replacement quarts. All fine and good. I started using
them. I’d say ~3 months later (maybe more) the original subject hardener
shipment showed up. No cans were broken, absolutely no leakage, but it looked
like the shipment was dragged from California up to Washington. There were a lot
of heavily dented cans.



I called Aircraft Spruce and said I’d be happy to return them, but they’d have
to pay the freight. They told me I would hear from them. Months later we had the
same conversation. Finally, they said, you can keep them. They have never been
opened and have been sitting in my heated (74 degrees) garage ever since.



I now need more resin but would like to use the subject hardener. I tried to
reach Gary Hunter without success. Reading one of his presentations I am of the
opinion that the hardener in the sealed, temperature-controlled cans is just
like new, and I can use it.



I am looking for feedback from this very knowledgeable DL. Does anyone have any
information on older hardener (~2 years) that has been in a sealed can and
stored at 70+ degrees? Can I use these 12 cans of hardener?

Nobody can answer your question.

They have not examined the hardner.

I have some really old, maybe 30 years or more, EZ-Poxy that I've used, not on an aircraft, and it has worked Ok. I've also had some that I threw out because I could see it crystallized, and heat would not improve it.

We could argue about brands of epoxy, but I will not. I have been using Geougen Bros products, both ProSet and West. I've had good luck with both. Tech support is outstanding. Price is reasonable.

I do not consider 74 degrees "heated". My epoxy box varies between 95 and 105 degrees.

About all you can do, if you wish to try, is to mix some and evaluate the result. Scratch test. Maybe with glass and a strength test. Don't expect all 12 cans to be the same. Some couyld be good, and also some could be bad.

For an aircraft structure, I would only use new epoxy. Just isn't that expensive, and your time and work deserves doing so.

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Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Gary Hunter
 

Hey Mike,

Not sure why I didn’t see your post. I apologize anyway.

All of the responses you have gotten from the other group members are spot on.

As long as the containers are not leaking you are in good shape. Once opened, you might think about transferring the contents to a new container. Glass, metal paint can or polyethylene plastic.

Gary Hunter
281-433-8478
Gluegaru@...




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Michael & Michelle O'Grady
 

Gary,
Thank you so much. I'm still using the shipment of hardener that replaced those cans, so they are almost 2 years old also. I have had no problems with them except for one can which had been opened for a period of time. It partially crystalized so I just got rid of it. The can was almost empty. I realize I can heat it up. I have done that with the E-Z Poxy and it worked well but there was so little left I just started with a new can.

Thanks,
Mike O'Grady

p.s. Mike Satchell sent me a copy of your Oshkosh presentation. I think I had an earlier copy with an old phone number on it.

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Subject: Re: [c-a] MGS H287S (Slow Hardener) Shelf Life

Hey Mike,

Not sure why I didn’t see your post. I apologize anyway.

All of the responses you have gotten from the other group members are spot on.

As long as the containers are not leaking you are in good shape. Once opened, you might think about transferring the contents to a new container. Glass, metal paint can or polyethylene plastic.

Gary Hunter
281-433-8478
Gluegaru@...




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Gary Hunter
 

Yes - the slow hardener is prone to crystalizing. Heat does revert it back to a liquid.

Always find a way to post cure the slow hardener.


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On Jul 20, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Michael & Michelle O'Grady <seamog@...> wrote:

Gary,
Thank you so much. I'm still using the shipment of hardener that replaced those cans, so they are almost 2 years old also. I have had no problems with them except for one can which had been opened for a period of time. It partially crystalized so I just got rid of it. The can was almost empty. I realize I can heat it up. I have done that with the E-Z Poxy and it worked well but there was so little left I just started with a new can.

Thanks,
Mike O'Grady

p.s. Mike Satchell sent me a copy of your Oshkosh presentation. I think I had an earlier copy with an old phone number on it.

-----Original Message-----
From: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io <canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Hunter via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 12:49 AM
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] MGS H287S (Slow Hardener) Shelf Life

Hey Mike,

Not sure why I didn’t see your post. I apologize anyway.

All of the responses you have gotten from the other group members are spot on.

As long as the containers are not leaking you are in good shape. Once opened, you might think about transferring the contents to a new container. Glass, metal paint can or polyethylene plastic.

Gary Hunter
281-433-8478
Gluegaru@...




Sent from Gary's iPhone