Re: ADSB In - Classic Cozy 3 Antenna Placement Experience

berkut13
 

… I would also point out that type of mounting would only be justified for a transmitter (ADS-B out) system and a ground plane.  Receive only (ADS-B in) can be mounted just about anywhere, facing up or down as long as it is vertically polarized and has a good “view” of the ground.

 

A couple of weeks ago, I installed this antenna in a Velocity – echoUAT system.  Plenty of space, so no external exposure needed.

Albeit, this is a temporary solution until the panel is upgraded later this year with fully integrated 1090ES triple G3X/750Xi/autopilot setup.  Wheeee!

 

-James

 

 

From: berkut13@... [mailto:berkut13@...]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 10:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [Canard Zone] ADSB In - Classic Cozy 3 Antenna Placement Experience

 

Glass is radio transparent for the equipment we use in GA and I don’t extend the antenna outside the fuselage skin unless there is a physical height issue (like under the front thigh support).   When I do, it is only partly outside the skin.

 

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James,

Do you extend the stick ball outside of the fuselage for either frequency? Is the fiberglass transparent at these frequencies? 
Thanks 

Michael Garmon

Cozy Mk IV

Houston, TX

 

On Jun 22, 2020, at 12:04 PM, berkut13 <berkut13@...> wrote:



 

ADS-B in (receive only) antenna does not require a ground plane of any size.   A simple TED stick/ball transponder antenna on a bracket will do nicely.  Just mount it low in the fuselage with the best possible downward conical exposure (not blocked by metal objects) for the best results.

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ted_transponder.php

 

 

For ADS-B out (transmit & receive), you will need a ground plane and the appropriate size antenna for the system (1090ES or UAT) you are using.  A UAT system would use a slightly longer antenna and larger ground plane than the traditional 1090ES transponder type due to its slightly lower 978 frequency.

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/av/antenna_adsb/monopole11-13561.php

 

 

For reference:

120mm square ground plane for transponders (1090ES)

130mm square ground plane for UAT systems and appropriate antenna

Put the antenna in the center, .020 aluminum is fine for this use, radius the corners ¼” or so

 

I’ve installed several…all work very well.

 

-James

Berkut/Race13

 

 

 

From: members@canardzone.groups.io [mailto:members@canardzone.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Sessions
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:40 PM
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Subject: [Canard Zone] ADSB In - Classic Cozy 3 Antenna Placement Experience

 

Campers,

I know there has been a lot of discussion on the ADSB-In antenna placements a few months back, but curious to see what people are getting good results with in
a Classic Cozy 3 now that there has been a little more time and likely more experience.

I know there was the slot antenna and others, but I am thinking a 13"ish square foil for the dipole under the left thigh support.  I know it is a projection and subject to ridicule, but pretty simple and not a lot of changes / structure in the back seat area.

I am hooking up to a Dynon HDX system in a panel upgrade and it is about the last thing I have when my newly repaired ADAHRs gets back (static port failure....).

Feel free to contact me off line as I am sure most feel we have done this to death.

Thanks!
Richard
Richard Sessions, Cozy 3 N9455 (William Chorley builder if anyone has anything on it)
Houston's Ellington Field (KEFD) - Go RAFE!
rtsessions@..., 281-467-2432 (leave a message with all the spam....)

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