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Re: Flush door handles

Curtis Martin
 

Going with the kiss method,  
Picture the standard canopy latching system front most rod
Now clamp a split 3/4” block of aluminum around the rod about where the original door was
Find a standard rotating keyed lock similar to the type to lock a cabinet usually about 3/4” in dia.,long enough to penetrate the sidewall and reach close to the rod so that the little tab on the end of the lock set can reach the block clamped to the rod. Adjust the block so that the tab is against the block in the vertical and key locked  position and the latches on the canopy are holding the canopy but OBVIOUSLY not locked. We also imbedded a small tab on the canopy rail to assist in raising the canopy without trying to dig fat fingers in the small gap.
A couple of short comings are
 You cannot latch tightly against the canopy seal. (hasn’t been a problem for us while leaving the canopy naca vent open has! Lol)
Don’t loose the key with it locked! Hide a spare!
Sorry no pics for now but can around the end of Feb. if anyone wants.

A reminder, be sure the adjustment of your latching system won’t allow a wind blown canopy to latch and lock on its own
YMMV, I like the latest Bob Bitner latch, I am liking snow less and less, it’s cold in fla too, that is all.

 
Curtis Martin 
Retired Firefighter
Partner/builder of Long-ez N12LZ

On Jan 21, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Kevin R. Walsh <krwalsh@...> wrote:


I found the video of the Hendricks latchI made when I was installing it:


The over-center is absolutely required to make sure it is safe and does not unlatch.   

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:06 AM Kevin R. Walsh <krwalsh@...> wrote:
I have that Hendricks latch, heavily modified, on my Cozy IV.  It is very pretty, flush from the outside, over-center on the inside, and works great.  I purchased a right hand latch, flipped it upside down, and then machined entirely new internals for it so the over-center works properly.  I even anodized it red, laser etched the LOCKED and OPEN arrow, so it looks very snazzy.

Take a look here, about halfway down: https://goo.gl/photos/LdNGQj6DSLbQvESy6

And I would never do it again.  It is a pain in the ass to get it right.  I think I made 3 or 4 of them before I was happy with it.  If anyone wants the CAD file, I think I have it somewhere on my old laptop.  If I were to do it again I would just do what Marc Zeitlin has on his plane, which is to say there is no external latch.  The internal latch gets stopped by the key lock, and the rest of the internals are plans or very close to plans.



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM aviationeyes <skyeyecorp@...> wrote:
You mean like this one....?

Buy me one!
--Jose


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan wrote:
Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?

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--
Kevin


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Kevin


Re: Flush door handles

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Greg Gullikson wrote:
 
I have the EZ Noselift latch also. I haven’t installed it on my Long-EZ build yet.

Some folks have had good luck with it and have modified it to make it reliable.
 
Are you using the plans set up on your airplane or something different?

I have the stock latch on my plane, although if I were starting from scratch, I'd probably install the "shark latch" system. I like that a lot. I did get rid of the side fuselage door, though, as it leaked like a sieve in rain and leaked air when cold as well. I installed side windows instead, along with a small rotary lock, just above the window, that moves a lever in front of the latch mechanism so that if locked, it can't be opened from the outside. The canopy doesn't seal perfectly when locked from the outside since the latch itself isn't engaged, but with a cover, it's good enough to park outside in the rain. You can see the exterior lock circled in red, and I also dished out the longeron (and redid the fiberglass layups) under the canopy so that I could lift the canopy edge from the outside.

02_Pilot_Window.jpeg

In this inside view, you can see the rotary lock hidden behind the latch. When it's rotated into the "up" position, it prevents the latch arm from moving aft and keeps the canopy from being able to be raised.

04_Pilot_Window.jpeg

My solution - simple, lightweight, and easy. With a "shark latch", it would be perfect (enough) :-).

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2020                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: Flush door handles

Don B
 

I have the rotary latch on my Longez and has not been a problem in 400 hrs of flying!


On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Ron Springer <ron228rj@...> wrote:


I have the rotary latch and I both like it and hate it. On my first flight with it, it slowly walked itself open during climbout and tried to kill me. Luckily the safety catch did its job. On the ground, I can sit in the plane with it latched and push up as hard as I want and the canopy won't budge. But, in an environment with vibration and buffeting, it can rotate itself open.

It depends on being over center and/or friction to stop it from rotating open. I don't think you should depend on a canopy being held closed by those things. I discovered that I am not the only one that has experienced this problem. It needs to have a real locking mechanism. I modified mine so it can't happen again.


Ron

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:11 PM Nick U <unick3@...> wrote:
I found the rotary latch from www.eznoselift.com to be an easy install and works great.  I was able to close off the door, and now only have a small hole in the side of the plane for the key.  It works with the existing LGEZ hardware too.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nick Ugolini, www.nickugolini.com  
Charleston, SC 

LongEZ N29TM (for sale)
Cozy 4, N826ER











On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan <doug@...> wrote:

Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?


Re: Flush door handles

Greg Gullikson
 

Hi Mark,

I have the EZ Noselift latch also. I haven’t installed it on my Long-EZ build yet. Are you using the plans set up on your airplane or something different?

Thanks,
Greg Gullikson 


On Jan 21, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Marc J. Zeitlin <marc.j.zeitlin@...> wrote:


Ron Springer wrote:

I have the rotary latch and I both like it and hate it. On my first flight with it, it slowly walked itself open during climbout and tried to kill me. Luckily the safety catch did its job. On the ground, I can sit in the plane with it latched and push up as hard as I want and the canopy won't budge. But, in an environment with vibration and buffeting, it can rotate itself open.

It depends on being over center and/or friction to stop it from rotating open. I don't think you should depend on a canopy being held closed by those things. I discovered that I am not the only one that has experienced this problem. It needs to have a real locking mechanism. I modified mine so it can't happen again.

Agree completely. While I don't have the EZNOSELIFT latch on MY plane (and wouldn't), I've worked on a couple of customer's planes that have them and I feel the same as Ron, except for the "like it" part. I've had a customer have one walk itself open in flight, and as Ron says, it relies on friction and a theoretical over-center that's very difficult to achieve for safety. It also is ambiguous in usage and can be confusing to latch and use. It creates more problems than it solves. I don't recommend it.

And as Kevin Walsh says, as nice as the Hendricks latch is (and it is - I've worked on a few planes that have them, too), it's expensive, complicated, and difficult to install and get working. Why make things complicated?

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2020                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: Flush door handles

Kevin R. Walsh
 

I found the video of the Hendricks latchI made when I was installing it:


The over-center is absolutely required to make sure it is safe and does not unlatch.   


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:06 AM Kevin R. Walsh <krwalsh@...> wrote:
I have that Hendricks latch, heavily modified, on my Cozy IV.  It is very pretty, flush from the outside, over-center on the inside, and works great.  I purchased a right hand latch, flipped it upside down, and then machined entirely new internals for it so the over-center works properly.  I even anodized it red, laser etched the LOCKED and OPEN arrow, so it looks very snazzy.

Take a look here, about halfway down: https://goo.gl/photos/LdNGQj6DSLbQvESy6

And I would never do it again.  It is a pain in the ass to get it right.  I think I made 3 or 4 of them before I was happy with it.  If anyone wants the CAD file, I think I have it somewhere on my old laptop.  If I were to do it again I would just do what Marc Zeitlin has on his plane, which is to say there is no external latch.  The internal latch gets stopped by the key lock, and the rest of the internals are plans or very close to plans.



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM aviationeyes <skyeyecorp@...> wrote:
You mean like this one....?

Buy me one!
--Jose


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan wrote:
Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?

-- 
  




--
Kevin


--
Kevin


Re: Flush door handles

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Ron Springer wrote:

I have the rotary latch and I both like it and hate it. On my first flight with it, it slowly walked itself open during climbout and tried to kill me. Luckily the safety catch did its job. On the ground, I can sit in the plane with it latched and push up as hard as I want and the canopy won't budge. But, in an environment with vibration and buffeting, it can rotate itself open.

It depends on being over center and/or friction to stop it from rotating open. I don't think you should depend on a canopy being held closed by those things. I discovered that I am not the only one that has experienced this problem. It needs to have a real locking mechanism. I modified mine so it can't happen again.

Agree completely. While I don't have the EZNOSELIFT latch on MY plane (and wouldn't), I've worked on a couple of customer's planes that have them and I feel the same as Ron, except for the "like it" part. I've had a customer have one walk itself open in flight, and as Ron says, it relies on friction and a theoretical over-center that's very difficult to achieve for safety. It also is ambiguous in usage and can be confusing to latch and use. It creates more problems than it solves. I don't recommend it.

And as Kevin Walsh says, as nice as the Hendricks latch is (and it is - I've worked on a few planes that have them, too), it's expensive, complicated, and difficult to install and get working. Why make things complicated?

--
Marc J. Zeitlin                      marc_zeitlin@...
                                            http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright © 2020                     Burnside Aerospace


Re: Flush door handles

nosedragger48154
 

Ron, how did you modify it so it would not open in flight?

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike Scovel

SE Michigan

VariEze

 

Mbl     (313) 608-7202

Email   ezdriver@...

Email   info@...

             http://www.brighterstick.com

 

 

 

From: members@canardzone.groups.io <members@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Springer
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:48 PM
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] Flush door handles

 

I have the rotary latch and I both like it and hate it. On my first flight with it, it slowly walked itself open during climbout and tried to kill me. Luckily the safety catch did its job. On the ground, I can sit in the plane with it latched and push up as hard as I want and the canopy won't budge. But, in an environment with vibration and buffeting, it can rotate itself open.

 

It depends on being over center and/or friction to stop it from rotating open. I don't think you should depend on a canopy being held closed by those things. I discovered that I am not the only one that has experienced this problem. It needs to have a real locking mechanism. I modified mine so it can't happen again.


Ron

 

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:11 PM Nick U <unick3@...> wrote:

I found the rotary latch from www.eznoselift.com to be an easy install and works great.  I was able to close off the door, and now only have a small hole in the side of the plane for the key.  It works with the existing LGEZ hardware too.

 

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nick Ugolini, www.nickugolini.com  

Charleston, SC 

 

LongEZ N29TM (for sale)

Cozy 4, N826ER

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan <doug@...> wrote:

 

Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?

 


Re: Flush door handles

Kevin R. Walsh
 

I have that Hendricks latch, heavily modified, on my Cozy IV.  It is very pretty, flush from the outside, over-center on the inside, and works great.  I purchased a right hand latch, flipped it upside down, and then machined entirely new internals for it so the over-center works properly.  I even anodized it red, laser etched the LOCKED and OPEN arrow, so it looks very snazzy.

Take a look here, about halfway down: https://goo.gl/photos/LdNGQj6DSLbQvESy6

And I would never do it again.  It is a pain in the ass to get it right.  I think I made 3 or 4 of them before I was happy with it.  If anyone wants the CAD file, I think I have it somewhere on my old laptop.  If I were to do it again I would just do what Marc Zeitlin has on his plane, which is to say there is no external latch.  The internal latch gets stopped by the key lock, and the rest of the internals are plans or very close to plans.



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM aviationeyes <skyeyecorp@...> wrote:
You mean like this one....?

Buy me one!
--Jose


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan wrote:
Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?

-- 
  




--
Kevin


Re: Flush door handles

Ron Springer
 

I have the rotary latch and I both like it and hate it. On my first flight with it, it slowly walked itself open during climbout and tried to kill me. Luckily the safety catch did its job. On the ground, I can sit in the plane with it latched and push up as hard as I want and the canopy won't budge. But, in an environment with vibration and buffeting, it can rotate itself open.

It depends on being over center and/or friction to stop it from rotating open. I don't think you should depend on a canopy being held closed by those things. I discovered that I am not the only one that has experienced this problem. It needs to have a real locking mechanism. I modified mine so it can't happen again.


Ron


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:11 PM Nick U <unick3@...> wrote:
I found the rotary latch from www.eznoselift.com to be an easy install and works great.  I was able to close off the door, and now only have a small hole in the side of the plane for the key.  It works with the existing LGEZ hardware too.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nick Ugolini, www.nickugolini.com  
Charleston, SC 

LongEZ N29TM (for sale)
Cozy 4, N826ER











On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan <doug@...> wrote:

Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?


Re: Flush door handles

Nick U
 

I found the rotary latch from www.eznoselift.com to be an easy install and works great.  I was able to close off the door, and now only have a small hole in the side of the plane for the key.  It works with the existing LGEZ hardware too.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nick Ugolini, www.nickugolini.com  
Charleston, SC 

LongEZ N29TM (for sale)
Cozy 4, N826ER











On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan <doug@...> wrote:

Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?


Re: Flush door handles

aviationeyes
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Doug Kan wrote:
Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?

-- 
  
  skyeyecorp@...



Flush door handles

Doug Kan
 

Anybody know of a good and hopefully inexpensive flush door handle for a LongEz. Maybe something like the Tesla door handle?


Re: Hangar Insurance

Scott Fish
 

Thanks much, Bill. SF

On Dec 25, 2019, at 3:49 PM, William Silva via Groups.Io <varipilot@...> wrote:

Sure Scott,
It’s,
Jon Shimer at email, jshimer@...
Ph. (301)682-6200 office
Ph. (301)682-9793 fax
http://www.air-pros.com

Bill
On Dec 25, 2019, at 12:44 PM, William Silva <varipilot@...> wrote:

To all re: the hangar liability insurance I was seeking for my project.
Thanks for all of the input Dave Froble, Don Jones, Bob Holliston, Jhansi, Glennbob and especially Ryszard.
Rysz, through your contact at “Aviation Insurance Resources”, Frederick MD, I was put in contact with “Jon Shimer” a co-employee of your contact there. He was very aware of the RAFE and your development of it to where it is today.
He is a pilot, MEL/A&P, and understands all things aviation. He stated that his agency employs about a dozen agents who are all pilots, and theirs is an independent agency that shops all underwriters in the industry.
He was able to write a policy with “Starr Builders’ Risk” Insurance with One million dollars “smooth” liability, for just $200. per year.
This gets my airport and the city off my back, as well as allows me to stay in the hangar.
Thanks for the help!
Bill Silva, varipilot@...
Lincoln, CA
KLHM

Sent from my iPad



Re: Hangar Insurance

William Silva
 

Sure Scott,
It’s,
Jon Shimer at email, jshimer@...
Ph. (301)682-6200 office
Ph. (301)682-9793 fax
http://www.air-pros.com

Bill

On Dec 25, 2019, at 12:44 PM, William Silva <varipilot@...> wrote:

To all re: the hangar liability insurance I was seeking for my project.
Thanks for all of the input Dave Froble, Don Jones, Bob Holliston, Jhansi, Glennbob and especially Ryszard.
Rysz, through your contact at “Aviation Insurance Resources”, Frederick MD, I was put in contact with “Jon Shimer” a co-employee of your contact there. He was very aware of the RAFE and your development of it to where it is today.
He is a pilot, MEL/A&P, and understands all things aviation. He stated that his agency employs about a dozen agents who are all pilots, and theirs is an independent agency that shops all underwriters in the industry.
He was able to write a policy with “Starr Builders’ Risk” Insurance with One million dollars “smooth” liability, for just $200. per year.
This gets my airport and the city off my back, as well as allows me to stay in the hangar.
Thanks for the help!
Bill Silva, varipilot@...
Lincoln, CA
KLHM

Sent from my iPad


Re: Hangar Insurance

William Silva
 

To all re: the hangar liability insurance I was seeking for my project.
Thanks for all of the input Dave Froble, Don Jones, Bob Holliston, Jhansi, Glennbob and especially Ryszard.
Rysz, through your contact at “Aviation Insurance Resources”, Frederick MD, I was put in contact with “Jon Shimer” a co-employee of your contact there. He was very aware of the RAFE and your development of it to where it is today.
He is a pilot, MEL/A&P, and understands all things aviation. He stated that his agency employs about a dozen agents who are all pilots, and theirs is an independent agency that shops all underwriters in the industry.
He was able to write a policy with “Starr Builders’ Risk” Insurance with One million dollars “smooth” liability, for just $200. per year.
This gets my airport and the city off my back, as well as allows me to stay in the hangar.
Thanks for the help!
Bill Silva, varipilot@...
Lincoln, CA
KLHM


Re: Hangar Insurance

Glenn Charles
 

Try :     Facer Insurance, Rantoul Illinois.

Glennbob




On Dec 11, 2019, at 1:11 PM, varipilot via Groups.Io <varipilot@...> wrote:

Can anyone advise what type of policy, and with whom they are insured with, for “a builders’ policy”. Not looking for coverage for a completed “flying” aircraft, but rather liability only protecting the airport and city/county operating it and demanding it.
Not that concerned about covering the aircraft, my tools or equipment, although would be willing to look at that depending on costs. I’ve been an EAA member for 30 years. AOPA does not want to touch it. They declined me yesterday. Both Falcon and Avemco want to insure my “build”, as a “flying aircraft”.....
Along with terminating all prior hangar agreements in effect at my airport, and of course an appreciable increase in rents, my city is requiring a “general liability” policy with $1 million/$100,000. coverage, not in motion, ground only.


Re: Hangar Insurance

cjhani
 

Go to a broker that does general liability. It is like liability for your house or business property not contents.

-----Original Message-----
From: members@canardzone.groups.io <members@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of David A Froble
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:54 PM
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] Hangar Insurance



On 12/11/2019 2:11 PM, varipilot via Groups.Io wrote:
Can anyone advise what type of policy, and with whom they are insured
with, for “a builders’ policy”. Not looking for coverage for a
completed “flying” aircraft, but rather liability only protecting the
airport and city/county operating it and demanding it.
Not that concerned about covering the aircraft, my tools or equipment,
although would be willing to look at that depending on costs. I’ve
been an EAA member for 30 years. AOPA does not want to touch it. They
declined me yesterday. Both Falcon and Avemco want to insure my
“build”, as a “flying aircraft”.....
Along with terminating all prior hangar agreements in effect at my
airport, and of course an appreciable increase in rents, my city is
requiring a “general liability” policy with $1 million/$100,000.
coverage, not in motion, ground only.
Time to find a new airport ....

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486


Re: Hangar Insurance

Bob Holliston
 

veripilot, we also have to have hanger insurance at my airport. Mine is through Accord (through Avemco) It's about $120.00 a year for $100,000.00 of liability. The certificate holder is the Port of Hood River, Or. who owns the airport. 


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:11 AM varipilot via Groups.Io <varipilot=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can anyone advise what type of policy, and with whom they are insured with, for “a builders’ policy”. Not looking for coverage for a completed “flying” aircraft, but rather liability only protecting the airport and city/county operating it and demanding it.
Not that concerned about covering the aircraft, my tools or equipment, although would be willing to look at that depending on costs. I’ve been an EAA member for 30 years. AOPA does not want to touch it. They declined me yesterday. Both Falcon and Avemco want to insure my “build”, as a “flying aircraft”.....
Along with terminating all prior hangar agreements in effect at my airport, and of course an appreciable increase in rents, my city is requiring a “general liability” policy with $1 million/$100,000. coverage, not in motion, ground only.



--


Re: Hangar Insurance

William Silva
 

Rysz, Dave & Don.....
I should have mentioned from the get go, my A/C has an airworthiness certificate and It is undergoing rebuild. I have been using my homeowner’s policy in the past couple years with zero problems from my airport. Now with the new agreements being “offered”, (take it or leave it attitude), homeowners isn’t good enough, even with the airport and city being named as additional insured.
Thanks Rysz, I will get in touch with your contact and let all know how it works out.
I agree.......Why should anyone have to pay “full boat” so to speak for an aircraft that will not be flying during a building “or” rebuild period?
Near zero exposure for them unless I burn the hangars down in my row, or someone gets injured “within” the confines under my immediate control......🤔


Re: Hangar Insurance

DON JONES
 

If you have a Homeowners Policy, you should be able to add the airport authority as an additional insured for liability coverage, which should satisfy the requirement. Be sure to adjust the liability amount on the policy to the limits needed.

Don Jones
Berkut FG

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 1:54:06 PM CST, David A Froble <davef@...> wrote:




On 12/11/2019 2:11 PM, varipilot via Groups.Io wrote:
> Can anyone advise what type of policy, and with whom they are insured
> with, for “a builders’ policy”. Not looking for coverage for a completed
> “flying” aircraft, but rather liability only protecting the airport and
> city/county operating it and demanding it.
> Not that concerned about covering the aircraft, my tools or equipment,
> although would be willing to look at that depending on costs. I’ve been
> an EAA member for 30 years. AOPA does not want to touch it. They
> declined me yesterday. Both Falcon and Avemco want to insure my “build”,
> as a “flying aircraft”.....
> Along with terminating all prior hangar agreements in effect at my
> airport, and of course an appreciable increase in rents, my city is
> requiring a “general liability” policy with $1 million/$100,000.
> coverage, not in motion, ground only.

Time to find a new airport ....

--
David Froble                      Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@...
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA  15486



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