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Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Tom Smith
 

I was only refuting to the landing light question Marc. There is more to it for other type of planes but for HB thats it.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc J. Zeitlin <marc.j.zeitlin@...>
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Tom Smith wrote:

You don't need landing lights to fly at night!

This is correct.
 
You do need position lights.

This is correct.
 
That's it.

This is not correct. You also need anti-collision lights, which implies either a rotating beacon or strobes.
 
Look it up when you need to get to sleep!



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Re: New/old VariEze takes to the sky

Ryszard Zadow
 

I was right behind you in the Rutan mass arrival in 2005 and that's the last time I ever saw you flying your Varieze. Such great news! Look forward to seeing you and the VE at RR maybe? 

Ryszard

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:49:47 AM CDT, Mike Tooze via groups.io <miketooze@...> wrote:


Great, congratulations Steve,
Like finding an old flame - as pretty as ever!
Your spec. looks good, resisted the starter, etc..  Is /will be fun.
With the shutdown I have been thinking of bringing mine home for a bit of TLC, but does she really need it, Naa!

Sincerely,
Mike Tooze

On Monday, 11 May 2020, 19:41:48 BST, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:


Yesterday I did the second first flight on my VariEze.  The first was in July 1981.  I flew N118SJ for over 1400 hours including ten trips to Oshkosh from California and it was my ride through the 21 years it took to build my Defiant.  When the Defiant was flying I decided to retire the VariEze and it sat in the back of my hangar for 14 years.  About two years ago I really needed a project and decided the VariEze needed to go into restoration.  A new paint job on the fuselage, new (overhauled) O-200, new instrument panel (no screens) and electrical system, new brakes, and adsb.  I decided to keep the original concept of light and simple so I left off a starter.  I did install an alternator since it now has two electronic ignitions (Pmags).  I had flown nothing but a Defiant for the last 15 years but sitting in the Eze felt familiar and it took very little time to start feeling comfortable again.  I did several high speed taxi tests then took off.  I stayed in the pattern at Leesburg, VA which is under class B at Dulles thinking it was a good idea in case of engine problems on the first flight but it all went perfectly.  It needs a couple of adjustments like trim springs but she is a flying machine again and now the fun starts. 

Steve Sorenson
Defiant N57KS
VariEze N118SJ


Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Del Schier wrote:

Sounds like I am legal to fly at night except 91.205 says:

(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that are accessible to the pilot in flight. My fuses are only accessible with nobody in the right seat as they are under the seat, LOL


Keep your spare fuses in an accessible place. I do - then you're legal. It says nothing about whether a blown fuse is accessible, or whether or not you can replace them in flight, or the intelligence of doing so when the airplane has already attempted to set you on fire once. Just make sure you can wave a spare fuse at the guy ramp checking you if that every happens and he asks about your fuses.
 

The real issue I have for flying at night is, even though my airpark runway has lighting, there are trees 60’ off my wing tips on short final.  I wonder if my new LED lights will let me see where the trees are.  I guess there is only one way to find out 😊


If you're 60' off the runway centerline, I'd have to ask you why you're still trying to put the plane on the ground, and not going around. From short final, 60' off the centerline, you're not getting on the ground on that approach...

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Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Del Schier
 

Thanks Marc and all,

 

I knew you didn’t need a landing light but all this talk about it made me look at operating limitations indications as I have never flown the Cozy at night. 

 

They say:

(8) This aircraft is to be operated under Visual Flight Rules (VFR), day only.

 

(9) After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or Instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only.

 

Sounds like I am legal to fly at night except 91.205 says:

(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that are accessible to the pilot in flight. My fuses are only accessible with nobody in the right seat as they are under the seat, LOL

 

The real issue I have for flying at night is, even though my airpark runway has lighting, there are trees 60’ off my wing tips on short final.  I wonder if my new LED lights will let me see where the trees are.  I guess there is only one way to find out 😊

 

Del Schier

Cozy IV N197DL

Cannon Creek Airpark 15FL

 

 

 

 

From: members@canardzone.groups.io <members@canardzone.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marc J. Zeitlin
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:57 AM
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

 

Tom Smith wrote:

 

You don't need landing lights to fly at night!

 

This is correct.

 

You do need position lights.

 

This is correct.

 

That's it.

 

This is not correct. You also need anti-collision lights, which implies either a rotating beacon or strobes.

 

Look it up when you need to get to sleep!

 


 

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Re: LED lights

Neil K
 

I was at the hangar today and took a few pics of my wheel pant lights.  These are extremely bright (3200 lumen) cheap Chinese, loads of RF noise, meant to be bumper or roll bar mounted.  I dealt with the RF noise issues with chokes and capacitors.  These are 10 degree (spot) beams.

Originally I had them working as wig-wag lights but from a mile away, they look like one light that is on solid.  I rewired them so they flash in unison and my visibly is vastly improved.   (others seeing me of course).  I also have an LED landing light in the usual LE location.


Neil



On May 12, 2020, at 10:25 AM, David Fife via groups.io <aircrafttips@...> wrote:

Ours are similar. I made these 10 yrs ago, still working fine. 
Parts are 3 -triple LED On a printed circuit board, small heat sink, 2- LED drivers, bulk head in nose of pants To hold Assy and lens.
One set for each wheel pants. Wired with switch for steady on or sequential flashing. Tower tells us they see us 5 miles out in daytime. 

If you want pics and material list I can supply. Email me at aircrafttips@...

Dave Fife 
N12LZ LONG EZ

On May 11, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith@...> wrote:


From crazedpilot.com Don't know why the the photos don't go through.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN

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Re: LED lights

berkut13
 

These type of lights are nowhere close to the brightness needed for landing or taxi lights.  They are effective for recognition in flight, especially when wagging but that’s it.   The fact they put the “landing light” (or even taxi) in the title is ridiculous.

 

-James

Berkut/Race 13

 

From: members@canardzone.groups.io [mailto:members@canardzone.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Rothwell
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:53 AM
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] LED lights

 

Ian,

 

Those lights look great for Taxy and for making your aircraft stand out as wig wag lights but they stress they have a wide beam so no, not suitable as serious landing lights.

 

Cheap though.

 

Tony

VH-COZ

 

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 12:16, Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Tom, 

 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?

 

$14.00

Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights

We manufacture and sell aircraft parts and accessories for general aviation pilots and airplane builders. From c...

 

 

 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

 

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

 

Ion



 

Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT

Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com

 

 

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN

 


Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Tom Smith wrote:

You don't need landing lights to fly at night!

This is correct.
 
You do need position lights.

This is correct.
 
That's it.

This is not correct. You also need anti-collision lights, which implies either a rotating beacon or strobes.
 
Look it up when you need to get to sleep!



--
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Re: LED lights

Tom Smith
 

I don't use them as landing lights, I use the lower winglet lights for landing.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Rothwell <tony13rothwell@...>
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] LED lights

Ian,

Those lights look great for Taxy and for making your aircraft stand out as wig wag lights but they stress they have a wide beam so no, not suitable as serious landing lights.

Cheap though.

Tony
VH-COZ

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 12:16, Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT
Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: LED lights

Tom Smith
 

Yes!



Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion@...>
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] LED lights

Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT
Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: LED lights

Tom Smith
 

No heat to speak of.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Evans <jevansez@...>
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] LED lights

I still haven't heard how much heat is produced not so much with these but with the higher output LEDs. Can someone supply that info and how they deal with the heat?

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:16 Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT
Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: LED lights

David Fife
 

Ours are similar. I made these 10 yrs ago, still working fine. 
Parts are 3 -triple LED On a printed circuit board, small heat sink, 2- LED drivers, bulk head in nose of pants To hold Assy and lens.
One set for each wheel pants. Wired with switch for steady on or sequential flashing. Tower tells us they see us 5 miles out in daytime. 

If you want pics and material list I can supply. Email me at aircrafttips@...

Dave Fife 
N12LZ LONG EZ

On May 11, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Tom Smith via groups.io <trcsmith@...> wrote:


From crazedpilot.com Don't know why the the photos don't go through.

Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN

Attachments:


Re: LED lights

Tom Smith
 

Yes, I do use them in the wheel pants, and soon mounting one each on left and right side just aft of the passenger head aimed at the winglets.


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Evans <jevansez@...>
To: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] LED lights

I still haven't heard how much heat is produced not so much with these but with the higher output LEDs. Can someone supply that info and how they deal with the heat?

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:16 Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT
Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Tom Smith
 

You don't need landing lights to fly at night! You do need position lights. That's it. Look it up when you need to get to sleep!


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Andres <tim2542@...>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Cc: members@canardzone.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 6:37 am
Subject: Re: [Canard Zone] [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Read your operating limits, it probably says “ unless properly equipped” limited to day vfr.
Tim Andres

On May 12, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Del Schier <cozypilot@...> wrote:


All this stuff about landing lights made me realize my Cozy is limited to day VFR only.  Since I have landing, position, strobe and panel lighting how to I get the day VFR only changed to day or night VFR?
 
Del Schier
Cozy IV N197DL
Cannon Creek Airpark 15FL
 
 


Re: [c-a] Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Tim Andres
 

Read your operating limits, it probably says “ unless properly equipped” limited to day vfr.
Tim Andres

On May 12, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Del Schier <cozypilot@...> wrote:



All this stuff about landing lights made me realize my Cozy is limited to day VFR only.  Since I have landing, position, strobe and panel lighting how to I get the day VFR only changed to day or night VFR?

 

Del Schier

Cozy IV N197DL

Cannon Creek Airpark 15FL

 

 


Change Day VFR only op limitations, was LED lights

Del Schier
 

All this stuff about landing lights made me realize my Cozy is limited to day VFR only.  Since I have landing, position, strobe and panel lighting how to I get the day VFR only changed to day or night VFR?

 

Del Schier

Cozy IV N197DL

Cannon Creek Airpark 15FL

 

 


Re: LED lights

Jim Evans
 

I still haven't heard how much heat is produced not so much with these but with the higher output LEDs. Can someone supply that info and how they deal with the heat?


On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:16 Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT

Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: New/old VariEze takes to the sky

Mike Tooze
 

Great, congratulations Steve,
Like finding an old flame - as pretty as ever!
Your spec. looks good, resisted the starter, etc..  Is /will be fun.
With the shutdown I have been thinking of bringing mine home for a bit of TLC, but does she really need it, Naa!

Sincerely,
Mike Tooze

On Monday, 11 May 2020, 19:41:48 BST, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:


Yesterday I did the second first flight on my VariEze.  The first was in July 1981.  I flew N118SJ for over 1400 hours including ten trips to Oshkosh from California and it was my ride through the 21 years it took to build my Defiant.  When the Defiant was flying I decided to retire the VariEze and it sat in the back of my hangar for 14 years.  About two years ago I really needed a project and decided the VariEze needed to go into restoration.  A new paint job on the fuselage, new (overhauled) O-200, new instrument panel (no screens) and electrical system, new brakes, and adsb.  I decided to keep the original concept of light and simple so I left off a starter.  I did install an alternator since it now has two electronic ignitions (Pmags).  I had flown nothing but a Defiant for the last 15 years but sitting in the Eze felt familiar and it took very little time to start feeling comfortable again.  I did several high speed taxi tests then took off.  I stayed in the pattern at Leesburg, VA which is under class B at Dulles thinking it was a good idea in case of engine problems on the first flight but it all went perfectly.  It needs a couple of adjustments like trim springs but she is a flying machine again and now the fun starts. 

Steve Sorenson
Defiant N57KS
VariEze N118SJ


Re: LED lights

Tony Rothwell
 

Ian,

Those lights look great for Taxy and for making your aircraft stand out as wig wag lights but they stress they have a wide beam so no, not suitable as serious landing lights.

Cheap though.

Tony
VH-COZ


On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 12:16, Ian Huss via groups.io <lisnion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT

Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN



Re: [Defiant Flyers] New/old VariEze takes to the sky

KEN4ZZ
 

Steve-

Oh so well done my friend.  I truly get the 'builder itch' more than you can know.  I've got a dozen projects in the wings but planes take priority!

Since O$H 2020 is CNX, let's make plans to have (Little?  Jr.?)  Puffin (airplane 'formerly known as Spot') park next to his old buddy N4ZZ at O$H 2021!  W/ a bit of planning (and skulduggery!) perhaps we can both get both of our planes there next year!

Ken


On 5/11/2020 1:41 PM, Steve wrote:
Yesterday I did the second first flight on my VariEze.  The first was in July 1981.  I flew N118SJ for over 1400 hours including ten trips to Oshkosh from California and it was my ride through the 21 years it took to build my Defiant.  When the Defiant was flying I decided to retire the VariEze and it sat in the back of my hangar for 14 years.  About two years ago I really needed a project and decided the VariEze needed to go into restoration.  A new paint job on the fuselage, new (overhauled) O-200, new instrument panel (no screens) and electrical system, new brakes, and adsb.  I decided to keep the original concept of light and simple so I left off a starter.  I did install an alternator since it now has two electronic ignitions (Pmags).  I had flown nothing but a Defiant for the last 15 years but sitting in the Eze felt familiar and it took very little time to start feeling comfortable again.  I did several high speed taxi tests then took off.  I stayed in the pattern at Leesburg, VA which is under class B at Dulles thinking it was a good idea in case of engine problems on the first flight but it all went perfectly.  It needs a couple of adjustments like trim springs but she is a flying machine again and now the fun starts. 

Steve Sorenson
Defiant N57KS
VariEze N118SJ


Re: LED lights

Ian Huss
 

Hi Tom, 

Did you use theCrazed pilot Bullet LED PAIR - Tiny High Output Landing/Strobe Lights or LED Lights  ?



 They look great but do you think they put out enough light for landing (250 lumens each)? I bet they're fine for taxiing, but landings too? The wigwag controller is a bonus too! Now I gotta figure out where to put yet another switch.

Thanks a bunch, I remember seeing your writeup before but couldn't remember where.

Ion


 
Re: LED lights
From: Tom Smith
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:04 MDT

Yes I sent them both ways. They are from crazedpilot.com


Tom Smith  A&P/IA
Long-EZ N12TS
Cell-707-592-0869
KVCB
KJ6PZN