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Uavionix tailbeacon in VariEze


Steve
 

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Bill Allen
 

I haven’t installed a Tailbeacon in my VariEze yet, but I did instal one in my C337G. It was straightforward (especially after I sent a faulty one back) and they were as helpful as I could want.
The beacon can be turned off via their App, so if one wanted to instal it in the hellhole, or the nose, that would be possible.
Only the test flight results from the FAA would determine if your installation works sufficiently well.

Bill Allen
VE N2CR
LE N99BA
CZ4 G-BYLZ

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 17:34, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:
I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ

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Don B
 

Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


 

Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Don B
 

I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Steve
 

Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Marlon Gunderson
 

2 1/2 years in my Cozy. Working well.  Antenna in the outboard strake cavity. 
 
Traffic and Wx is displayed on a $200 8" Android Galaxy Tablet via freeware Avare EFB, including free FAA charts.


Don B
 

My Cho is in my Longez.  Xponder ant under pilots thigh support and Echo antenna under the back seat thigh support.  I have had no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Joe Person
 

Steve,

On my VariEze, the Echo UAT antenna ground plane is installed in the hellhole, under the gear bow, with the TED ball-tip antenna protruding out through the fuselage just ahead of the cowl inlet. Ground plane is a scaled-up version of the RST octagonal plane (scaled to the 978 mHz UAT freq.) Works very well.

-Joe Person


On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Wm Kezele
 

I spoke with tech support at Uavionic, they didn’t recommend using the trail beacon on a long ez stating it needed to have access to sky and ground views. The recommended the use of the echoUAV, I installed it on my long, easy to do.


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Bill Allen <billallensworld@...> wrote:


I haven’t installed a Tailbeacon in my VariEze yet, but I did instal one in my C337G. It was straightforward (especially after I sent a faulty one back) and they were as helpful as I could want.
The beacon can be turned off via their App, so if one wanted to instal it in the hellhole, or the nose, that would be possible.
Only the test flight results from the FAA would determine if your installation works sufficiently well.

Bill Allen
VE N2CR
LE N99BA
CZ4 G-BYLZ

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 17:34, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:
I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ

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Jenatepilot
 

Yep. Works great in my long ez nose. Power ground done 

On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Steve
 

Don,
    Are both of your antennas completely internal or is the antenna extended through the skin?  I’ll assume each is attached to a ground plane?

Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
My Cho is in my Longez.  Xponder ant under pilots thigh support and Echo antenna under the back seat thigh support.  I have had no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


Don B
 

I’m using the TED antennas with it sticking out about an inch.  Using an aluminum 10 to 12 inch disk ground plane.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 4:27 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

Don,
    Are both of your antennas completely internal or is the antenna extended through the skin?  I’ll assume each is attached to a ground plane?

Steve

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
My Cho is in my Longez.  Xponder ant under pilots thigh support and Echo antenna under the back seat thigh support.  I have had no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@ groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@... > wrote:


Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
--        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
www.AlpineWorldwide.com
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups .io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:

I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ


aviationeyes
 

I purchased the uAvionix Echo from GRT and also purchased their Safefly 2020 GPS to mate with it. The advantage for buying the GRT GPS was that it was premounted to the Echo, prewired and provided an extra RS232C port for the future. At any rate, I installed it and it has worked perfectly in and out. (I'm currently using the wonderful iFly GPS App for in, but may switch to the free Airmate App.) I mounted the Echo unit on a sub panel I have in front of my main panel. The GPS antenna puck is curently on the left shoulder of my backrest. Because I wanted to get back to flying (to destroy my nosewheel fork) ASAP, I temporarily mounted the Echo stub antenna just in front of the rear passenger seat and used a 6 foot RG400 cable to connect it. Who needs a GIB, anyhow?

Upon first power up, while on the ground, I used the iphone App to set the transponder threshold until I could reliably get both the transponder code and the Baro Alt numbers. A PAPR was requested after the flight and it came back with zero errors. At some point when weather gets more comfortable for working on the plane, I will move the Echo stub antenna to under the belly at the NACA scoop which in my case is a formed aluminum (perfect groundplane) panel. Perfect location away from my regular transponder and DME antennas. However, this will require an 8 foot coax which will exceed the 1.5 Db loss, but a lower loss (than RG400) coax cable should remedy that.

I considered the more expensive Tailbeacon in the nose. I was worried that between the battery, the lead ballast, the nosewheel castings, and the aluminum adjustable brake setup that I have that there was too much stuff in the way to blanket the signals. So I went with the Echo.

--Jose




On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Steve wrote:
Thanks for all the input.  I don’t hear anyone who has used the tail beacon.....yet.  I have the Echo in my Defiant which is a great package paired with the GRT GPS.  However it was a very difficult install particularly in getting the setup with my two EFIS screens.  The Vari Eze doesn’t have an EFIS so the install should be simpler I would think.  There is a good case for having both adsb out and in as you can hook up a phone or iPad to display the in data.  But the Echo requires another antenna. My transponder antenna is under the front seat.  Those of you who have installed the Echo, where did you install the antenna? Internal? external?  Has to be at least 3 ft from the transponder antenna.  
Steve


On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have had he Echo installed in my Longez for over 1.5 years with no problems!



On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:

Thanks Don-
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have determined that the Uavionix ECHO with
their GPS source is the best solution for me. I would be open to discussion of 
canard people who have any info to share on the Uavionix ECHO, good and bad.
If you want to answer in a separate thread that is fine.
I considered the TailBeacon, but sounds like the ECHO is more my choice.
-Christian 
Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

         -a division of-
       "We build ideas.."


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Don B via Groups.Io <donberlin475=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Why not install the Uavionix ECHO?  It’s Less expensive and provides both in and out! Gary Hertzler installed the ECHO in his Vari and can give yo the details.  



On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:
I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ






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  skyeyecorp@...



Jenatepilot
 

I’ve got the tail beacon in mine right next to my massive battery. Zero issues. Super ez install. 

On Mar 24, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Wm Kezele <wkez55@...> wrote:

I spoke with tech support at Uavionic, they didn’t recommend using the trail beacon on a long ez stating it needed to have access to sky and ground views. The recommended the use of the echoUAV, I installed it on my long, easy to do.


On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Bill Allen <billallensworld@...> wrote:


I haven’t installed a Tailbeacon in my VariEze yet, but I did instal one in my C337G. It was straightforward (especially after I sent a faulty one back) and they were as helpful as I could want.
The beacon can be turned off via their App, so if one wanted to instal it in the hellhole, or the nose, that would be possible.
Only the test flight results from the FAA would determine if your installation works sufficiently well.

Bill Allen
VE N2CR
LE N99BA
CZ4 G-BYLZ

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 17:34, Steve <josteve100@...> wrote:
I recall someone said they had successfully installed a Uavionix tailbeacon in the nose of a VariEze but I can't find the post.  If you have experience with installing this adsb solution in your canard could you get back to me?  Thanks.
Steve
VariEze N118SJ

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