A quick hello and a request for panel layout advice


Jason Wagner
 

Hello Everyone!

I am Jason Wagner (Alan’s son). In addition to being a long-time fan, I am now a Defiant owner. (I have acquired Charles’ beautiful bird (N176PC)).

My father and I flew it back to Virginia last week, and the O-360s hummed along nicely. As I am preparing to do some transition training and work towards evolving this into the ideal family/island-hopping aircraft, I am looking to update the avionics.

Any recently redone, or designed panel pictures or layout recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I am not a purist on brand, but have had nothing but positive experiences from the time with the G1000 system as I have done my IFR training, and I have seen firsthand the rock-solid performance of the legacy GRT suite in my father’s defiant.

Any insights and advice on the above (or really anything Defiant related) are always welcome.

Looking forward to flying with all of you soon!

- Jason


Harry Manvel
 

Congrats Jason! I’ll defer to the guys with newer panels, but I’ll post my vote for Dynon. Harry

On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Jason Wagner via groups.io <jasonkwagner@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone!

I am Jason Wagner (Alan’s son). In addition to being a long-time fan, I am now a Defiant owner. (I have acquired Charles’ beautiful bird (N176PC)).

My father and I flew it back to Virginia last week, and the O-360s hummed along nicely. As I am preparing to do some transition training and work towards evolving this into the ideal family/island-hopping aircraft, I am looking to update the avionics.

Any recently redone, or designed panel pictures or layout recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I am not a purist on brand, but have had nothing but positive experiences from the time with the G1000 system as I have done my IFR training, and I have seen firsthand the rock-solid performance of the legacy GRT suite in my father’s defiant.

Any insights and advice on the above (or really anything Defiant related) are always welcome.

Looking forward to flying with all of you soon!

- Jason








JOHN STEICHEN
 

Very simple…
 Dynon HDX & Garmin GTN 750.  Oh yes. uAvionix AV30 backup 
John Steichen  N27 GZ

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:55 PM Harry Manvel <hmanvel@...> wrote:
Congrats Jason!  I’ll defer to the guys with newer panels, but I’ll post my vote for Dynon.  Harry
> On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Jason Wagner via groups.io <jasonkwagner=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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> Hello Everyone!
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> I am Jason Wagner (Alan’s son). In addition to being a long-time fan, I am now a Defiant owner. (I have acquired Charles’ beautiful bird (N176PC)).
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> My father and I flew it back to Virginia last week, and the O-360s hummed along nicely. As I am preparing to do some transition training and work towards evolving this into the ideal family/island-hopping aircraft, I am looking to update the avionics.
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> Any recently redone, or designed panel pictures or layout recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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> I am not a purist on brand, but have had nothing but positive experiences from the time with the G1000 system as I have done my IFR training, and I have seen firsthand the rock-solid performance of the legacy GRT suite in my father’s defiant.
>
> Any insights and advice on the above (or really anything Defiant related) are always welcome.
>
> Looking forward to flying with all of you soon!
>
> - Jason
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Andrew Anunson
 

Hello Jason,
Are you interested in replacing the entire panel with new equipment or just looking to install a single IFR navigator?  Maybe something in between?

Each brand of EFIS equipment needs its own hardware installed throughout the plane... So perhaps you could check with GRT and see if their newer EFIS panels will work with the existing hardware in your plane.  It likely won't be a "plug n play", but it might be easier than installing an entirely new system.  Call them and let them know what you have installed and they'll let you know what you need to upgrade.

If you switch from GRT (to Garmin/Dynon/etc) then you'll need new engine monitoring systems, an ADAHRS, a magnetometer, and all new wiring.

A photo of my new Cozy MKIV panel is attached.... but it is obviously is NOT an IFR panel.  I have "room to grow".
My transponder is remote.... its a GTX32 and it takes up no panel space.
My COM has its own built in intercom, so I have no audio panel at this time.


Congratulations on the Defiant!!!  

Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273






Tom Staggs
 

Jason,

I just posted a presentation to the COBA website (under Resources) the process for selecting and I integrating avionics. 

 Additionally,  I just had an article published in Sport Aviation about Ergonomic considerations in cockpit design that might help you make some layout choices. 

Please let me know if you have further questions. 

Tom Staggs
Long-EZ N13YV
425 531-1776


Izzy
 

Give Ken Swain a jingle. He just went through a complete reworking of his Defiant. I’m sure he is up on the latest special features for your twin.



Izzy
(603)410-7277

On Oct 18, 2021, at 23:31, Jason Wagner <jasonkwagner@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone!

I am Jason Wagner (Alan’s son). In addition to being a long-time fan, I am now a Defiant owner. (I have acquired Charles’ beautiful bird (N176PC)).

My father and I flew it back to Virginia last week, and the O-360s hummed along nicely. As I am preparing to do some transition training and work towards evolving this into the ideal family/island-hopping aircraft, I am looking to update the avionics.

Any recently redone, or designed panel pictures or layout recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I am not a purist on brand, but have had nothing but positive experiences from the time with the G1000 system as I have done my IFR training, and I have seen firsthand the rock-solid performance of the legacy GRT suite in my father’s defiant.

Any insights and advice on the above (or really anything Defiant related) are always welcome.

Looking forward to flying with all of you soon!

- Jason








A R Goldman
 

Nice and clean--

The defiant will be a good IFR traveling aircraft.

Attached is a photo of my panel to give you and indication of the other end. You will, if you plan to do IFR need duplications backups etc.

Congrats on your new push-me Pull-you.

Rich


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Hello Jason,
Are you interested in replacing the entire panel with new equipment or just looking to install a single IFR navigator?  Maybe something in between?

Each brand of EFIS equipment needs its own hardware installed throughout the plane... So perhaps you could check with GRT and see if their newer EFIS panels will work with the existing hardware in your plane.  It likely won't be a "plug n play", but it might be easier than installing an entirely new system.  Call them and let them know what you have installed and they'll let you know what you need to upgrade.

If you switch from GRT (to Garmin/Dynon/etc) then you'll need new engine monitoring systems, an ADAHRS, a magnetometer, and all new wiring.

A photo of my new Cozy MKIV panel is attached.... but it is obviously is NOT an IFR panel.  I have "room to grow".
My transponder is remote.... its a GTX32 and it takes up no panel space.
My COM has its own built in intercom, so I have no audio panel at this time.


Congratulations on the Defiant!!!  

Andrew Anunson
Cozy MKIV #1273





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KEN4ZZ
 

Hi Jason-

A little more info would help:

-  Will this be a complete ground up overhaul of avionics or just cleaning things up by replacing a couple of antiquated steam gauges?

-  What is in the current panel that you would like (or are bound and determined) to keep?  Remember, the used stuff in the panel now can be flebayed to partially offset the cost of something that better integrates w/ whatever system you choose.

-  A few decent pictures of the panel right now would give folks a feel for your starting point.

-  Do you anticipate flying in real IMC?  If so, you should really think things through from an overall systems integration standpoint.  Ask yourself all sorts of "What if?" questions to get a grip on what's left to safely get you on the ground when various combinations of instruments or power sources fail.

-  Pre-built harnesses are a genuinely tempting shortcut.  I advocate doing the really, REALLY hard work of building your own. The study you'll be forced to put in - of the various installation and owner's manuals, as well as wiring protocols - will yield the benefit of multiple orders of magnitude better understanding of how everything in your new system works with everything else.  If something starts not working correctly you'll be miles ahead in the troubleshooting process.

One other bit of planning info:  Should you plan a center stack of avionics, be mindful of the arc the Defiant's nose gear components swing thru behind the panel.  The really deep trays need to be kept ABOVE the space the gear swings thru.  That's why my IFD 540 sits ABOVE my audio panel.

I posted the attached picture a while back on the Defiant group's portion of the site.  It shows what I started with (VFR only GPS and single com) and where I wound up (IFR GPS navigator, full audio panel, dual com, dual VHF nav, and more) w/ my panel upgrade.

Good luck and enjoy the ride!

Ken

On 10/18/2021 9:14 PM, Jason Wagner wrote:
Hello Everyone!

I am Jason Wagner (Alan’s son). In addition to being a long-time fan, I am now a Defiant owner. (I have acquired Charles’ beautiful bird (N176PC)).

My father and I flew it back to Virginia last week, and the O-360s hummed along nicely. As I am preparing to do some transition training and work towards evolving this into the ideal family/island-hopping aircraft, I am looking to update the avionics.

Any recently redone, or designed panel pictures or layout recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I am not a purist on brand, but have had nothing but positive experiences from the time with the G1000 system as I have done my IFR training, and I have seen firsthand the rock-solid performance of the legacy GRT suite in my father’s defiant.

Any insights and advice on the above (or really anything Defiant related) are always welcome.

Looking forward to flying with all of you soon!

- Jason