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Dynon Xponder and HDX wiring


Scott Fish
 

Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ


Marc J. Zeitlin
 

Scott Fish wrote:

Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try...

Geez - please just use canard-aviators and/or the COZY mailing list, or the canardzone via the forum interface. How many places do we have to monitor to discuss canards? It's already ridiculous...

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

The SV-XPNDR-261/262 chapter, page 11-11 of the Skyview Installation Manual clearly addresses this question. You don't have to wire the external GPS input if you have the GPS-2020 installed.

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Jon Matcho
 

Marc Zeitlin wrote:   Geez - please just use canard-aviators and/or the COZY mailing list, or the canardzone via the forum interface. How many places do we have to monitor to discuss canards? It's already ridiculous...

 

You are misinformed of what Scott just did with his original post.  By posting to the top-level list, Scott was able to send a valid question to both the Canard Aviators AND Defiant Flyers lists without cross-posting.

 

Here’s the structure of the mailing lists, with each having an email address:

 

 

Why not consider moving the Cozy mailing list to be a third group here so that we can avoid the cross-posting mayhem that happens, where email subjects end up with nearly unreadable subject lines, for example “Re: Re: [C-A] Dynon Question Re: COZY: Dynon Question” – now that is ridiculous!  I’d be happy to work with you on that so you can manage the Cozy Mailing List membership exactly as you do today.  Now that would be a step in the right direction for everyone – one place to sign up for mailing lists.

 

Regards,

Jon

 

 

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KEN4ZZ
 

Hi Scott- Since no one else has chimed in, I'll give it a shot.  From the SkyView installation manual, revision AD, page 11-11:

"Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3) Prior to 2016, the only way for a SkyView system to comply with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate was to connect a serial output from a certified GPS to the Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3). As of January, 2016, Dynon Avionics offers the SV-GPS-2020 GPS Antenna/Receiver Module which provides high-integrity GPS data compliant with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate. The SV-GPS-2020 transmits high-integrity GPS position data to the SkyView display(s), which then transmit the high-integrity GPS position data to the SV-XPNDR-261/262.
Thus, if an SV-GPS-2020 is installed, this input is not used. "

As it says, since you have the SV-GPS-2020 installed on your system, pin 3 is not used.  Your 261 transponder will get all the position data it needs to be 2020 compliant thru whichever serial port (#1 - #4, since #5 is generally recommended for connecting your SV-GPS-2020) you chose to connect it to the rest of your system.

If you had the older (non-2020 compliant) SV-GPS-250 for your system, but also had a WAAS IFR GPS navigation unit (Garmin 430/530W, Avidyne 440/ 540, etc.) installed, you could route a position signal from that WAAS to pin 3 to become 2020 compliant.


Ken

On 11/27/2019 4:37 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:
Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ


Scott Fish
 

Thanks Ken.  

I was reading the right material in the Install manual, but was just not positive about it’s interpretation.  I appreciate the time you committed to explain.  

Best and happy Thanksgiving,

Scott


On Nov 28, 2019, at 1:00 PM, KEN4ZZ via Groups.Io <ken4zz@...> wrote:

Hi Scott- Since no one else has chimed in, I'll give it a shot.  From the SkyView installation manual, revision AD, page 11-11:

"Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3) Prior to 2016, the only way for a SkyView system to comply with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate was to connect a serial output from a certified GPS to the Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3). As of January, 2016, Dynon Avionics offers the SV-GPS-2020 GPS Antenna/Receiver Module which provides high-integrity GPS data compliant with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate. The SV-GPS-2020 transmits high-integrity GPS position data to the SkyView display(s), which then transmit the high-integrity GPS position data to the SV-XPNDR-261/262.
Thus, if an SV-GPS-2020 is installed, this input is not used. "

As it says, since you have the SV-GPS-2020 installed on your system, pin 3 is not used.  Your 261 transponder will get all the position data it needs to be 2020 compliant thru whichever serial port (#1 - #4, since #5 is generally recommended for connecting your SV-GPS-2020) you chose to connect it to the rest of your system.

If you had the older (non-2020 compliant) SV-GPS-250 for your system, but also had a WAAS IFR GPS navigation unit (Garmin 430/530W, Avidyne 440/ 540, etc.) installed, you could route a position signal from that WAAS to pin 3 to become 2020 compliant.


Ken

On 11/27/2019 4:37 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:
Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ


A R Goldman
 

You can connect it to pin 3, however not directly. You need to put a resistor of relatively specific value ( can’t remember the value but it is in the instal instructions—- the value given is really wierd but dynon told me rounding is ok-check to insure ) in series with the connection. 

Rich



On Nov 28, 2019, at 11:00 AM, KEN4ZZ via Groups.Io <ken4zz@...> wrote:

Hi Scott- Since no one else has chimed in, I'll give it a shot.  From the SkyView installation manual, revision AD, page 11-11:

"Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3) Prior to 2016, the only way for a SkyView system to comply with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate was to connect a serial output from a certified GPS to the Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3). As of January, 2016, Dynon Avionics offers the SV-GPS-2020 GPS Antenna/Receiver Module which provides high-integrity GPS data compliant with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate. The SV-GPS-2020 transmits high-integrity GPS position data to the SkyView display(s), which then transmit the high-integrity GPS position data to the SV-XPNDR-261/262.
Thus, if an SV-GPS-2020 is installed, this input is not used. "

As it says, since you have the SV-GPS-2020 installed on your system, pin 3 is not used.  Your 261 transponder will get all the position data it needs to be 2020 compliant thru whichever serial port (#1 - #4, since #5 is generally recommended for connecting your SV-GPS-2020) you chose to connect it to the rest of your system.

If you had the older (non-2020 compliant) SV-GPS-250 for your system, but also had a WAAS IFR GPS navigation unit (Garmin 430/530W, Avidyne 440/ 540, etc.) installed, you could route a position signal from that WAAS to pin 3 to become 2020 compliant.


Ken

On 11/27/2019 4:37 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:
Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ


A R Goldman
 

Additionally 


the operating system of the garmin must be the latest version to work

I have it wired but have to update my 430w operating system to make it work. Looking at the cost of updating... for 100 or slightly more you can get the proper GPS receiver from dynon if you are really anal retentive you can do both

That’s what I think I will do in which case I will have the older dynon GPS receiver for sale at an attractive price

Rich


On Nov 28, 2019, at 2:01 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:

Thanks Ken.  

I was reading the right material in the Install manual, but was just not positive about it’s interpretation.  I appreciate the time you committed to explain.  

Best and happy Thanksgiving,

Scott


On Nov 28, 2019, at 1:00 PM, KEN4ZZ via Groups.Io <ken4zz@...> wrote:

Hi Scott- Since no one else has chimed in, I'll give it a shot.  From the SkyView installation manual, revision AD, page 11-11:

"Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3) Prior to 2016, the only way for a SkyView system to comply with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate was to connect a serial output from a certified GPS to the Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3). As of January, 2016, Dynon Avionics offers the SV-GPS-2020 GPS Antenna/Receiver Module which provides high-integrity GPS data compliant with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate. The SV-GPS-2020 transmits high-integrity GPS position data to the SkyView display(s), which then transmit the high-integrity GPS position data to the SV-XPNDR-261/262.
Thus, if an SV-GPS-2020 is installed, this input is not used. "

As it says, since you have the SV-GPS-2020 installed on your system, pin 3 is not used.  Your 261 transponder will get all the position data it needs to be 2020 compliant thru whichever serial port (#1 - #4, since #5 is generally recommended for connecting your SV-GPS-2020) you chose to connect it to the rest of your system.

If you had the older (non-2020 compliant) SV-GPS-250 for your system, but also had a WAAS IFR GPS navigation unit (Garmin 430/530W, Avidyne 440/ 540, etc.) installed, you could route a position signal from that WAAS to pin 3 to become 2020 compliant.


Ken

On 11/27/2019 4:37 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:
Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ


KEN4ZZ
 

Yea, the resistor is 1.21 k.  Didn't know older 430Ws needed updates.  I'm in the process of installing an Avidyne unit and will probably install a GPS out wire when I build the harness.  I installed the SV-GPS-2020 last year, but it's so easy to add the wire when building the harness it's good to have options if my 2020 goes tango uniform.

On 11/28/2019 5:19 PM, A R Goldman via Groups.Io wrote:
Additionally 


the operating system of the garmin must be the latest version to work

I have it wired but have to update my 430w operating system to make it work. Looking at the cost of updating... for 100 or slightly more you can get the proper GPS receiver from dynon if you are really anal retentive you can do both

That’s what I think I will do in which case I will have the older dynon GPS receiver for sale at an attractive price

Rich


On Nov 28, 2019, at 2:01 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:

Thanks Ken.  

I was reading the right material in the Install manual, but was just not positive about it’s interpretation.  I appreciate the time you committed to explain.  

Best and happy Thanksgiving,

Scott


On Nov 28, 2019, at 1:00 PM, KEN4ZZ via Groups.Io <ken4zz@...> wrote:

Hi Scott- Since no one else has chimed in, I'll give it a shot.  From the SkyView installation manual, revision AD, page 11-11:

"Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3) Prior to 2016, the only way for a SkyView system to comply with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate was to connect a serial output from a certified GPS to the Direct Serial GPS Position Input (Pin 3). As of January, 2016, Dynon Avionics offers the SV-GPS-2020 GPS Antenna/Receiver Module which provides high-integrity GPS data compliant with the FAA 2020 ADS-B Out mandate. The SV-GPS-2020 transmits high-integrity GPS position data to the SkyView display(s), which then transmit the high-integrity GPS position data to the SV-XPNDR-261/262.
Thus, if an SV-GPS-2020 is installed, this input is not used. "

As it says, since you have the SV-GPS-2020 installed on your system, pin 3 is not used.  Your 261 transponder will get all the position data it needs to be 2020 compliant thru whichever serial port (#1 - #4, since #5 is generally recommended for connecting your SV-GPS-2020) you chose to connect it to the rest of your system.

If you had the older (non-2020 compliant) SV-GPS-250 for your system, but also had a WAAS IFR GPS navigation unit (Garmin 430/530W, Avidyne 440/ 540, etc.) installed, you could route a position signal from that WAAS to pin 3 to become 2020 compliant.


Ken

On 11/27/2019 4:37 PM, scottbcs@... wrote:
Thought I'd give the new canard zone a try with a question I've been searching on today without success:

 I've got a Dynon Xponder 261 (2020 ADSB-OUT compliant) and a Dynon HDX display and Dynon's GPS 2020.  The wiring for the Xponder shows a serial interface with the HDX in both directions and it appears to be working in the sense that it provides ALT out, but I've not checked with others in flight yet to see if I'm showing up on their ADSB-IN displays.  

Here's my question:  The Xponder wiring diagram also shows an optional GPS data input to the Xponder that I've not wired yet.  Does the Dynon Xponder 261 get it's GPS information from the HDX (which most definitely has the GPS wired to it) over the HDX<->Xponder serial port, or do I have to wire this external GPS input in addition to the HDX serial lines to get the full benefit of GPS over the ADSB-OUT functionality of the Xponder?

Thanks,

Scott Fish
Cozy MKIV  N78CZ